WoW, Casually: Playing WoW with your teen
Robin Torres writes WoW, Casually for the player with limited playtime. Of course, you people with lots of playtime can read this too, but you may get annoyed by the fact that we are unashamed, even proud, of the fact that beating WoW isn't our highest priority. Take solace in the fact that your gear is better than ours, but if that doesn't work, remember that we outnumber you. Not that that's a threat, after all, we don't have time to do anything about it. But if WoW were a democracy, we'd win.
Last year, I talked about playing with preschoolers and reading-age children. Several months later, I'd like to continue the series by tackling the topic of teens. I'm now tempted to talk in tantalizing alliteration, but I really can't keep it up. Anyway...
Teens provide a completely different challenge than the young children we've discussed before. Teens are already extremely competent readers, experience Trade Chat-like talk in school on a regular basis and have the coordination skills required to fully play the game. So they don't need the coddling and constant supervision, but that doesn't mean that the benefits of parents playing with teens aren't just as valuable.
Important Note
This article is for responsible parents who wish to make the most out of their and their child's gaming. All parents know that their children require other activities than gaming. In no way am I suggesting that playing WoW with your child should be the only activity done together or that it should be your child's only leisure pursuit. We all know that human beings need a balance of work and play, active and sedentary, outside and inside, social and solitary, etc. If a teen has issues with addiction, anti-social behavior or any developmental problem; Captain Obvious says that his or her parents need to seek professional help as well as use their own brains to try to solve these issues. Enough disclaimers, let's get to the guide.
In order to avoid pronoun trouble, today's teen will be played by Johnny. Actual gender and name may vary.
Don't ban video games
I'm going to assume here that you want Johnny to not only attend, but graduate from a university. Even if that is not the case, you still want Johnny to be happy and successful when he is out on his own. When he doesn't have you to supervise him, he's going to be tempted to do the things he enjoys rather than study, work, clean, etc. If you ban video games during the school year or even during the week, he may not learn the required time management skills he'll need to succeed after he leaves the nest. If, with your guidance, he is able to create and keep a schedule balancing school, study, chores and leisure time; it will be an old habit by the time he's exposed to greater responsibilities and temptations.
Playing WoW is cool
(Note: When I use the word "cool", I mean what your particular teen thinks is cool. I do not mean what the general populace thinks is cool. If your teen doesn't think playing WoW is a cool thing for him to do, then this article is obviously not for you. This section is about common ground between parent and teen, not peer pressure.)
The generation gap that occurs between parents and children is really more of a Cool Gap. If we don't like the entertainment options our kids like, we are uncool. And, unfortunately, Johnny is more likely to respect and want to emulate the people who he thinks are cool. So you are competing with the hot chick in Trigonometry, the clique of "nonconformists" and the druggy at lunch who complains that the cafeteria plates are trying to compartmentalize his life. If you both think Azeroth is a cool place to hang out, you are much less likely to be tuned out in non-Azerothian situations.
Don't be naive
Remember all those things you did when you were Johnny's age? Yeah, he's doing them too. Oh, kids these days don't do that anymore? Then he's doing the current equivalent. Johnny's a good kid and he'd never do that? Johnny may have a different definition of "good" -- either through changing times, a different philosophy or insufficient education -- and may think it's OK to experiment. Keeping all internet access in a centralized location, where someone could be looking over his shoulder at any time, will reduce the chances of online transgressions from occurring while he is home. Don't let the runaway story happen to you.
When and how
Johnny should be able to have some sessions without you, just as you should have some non-parenting WoW playtime. But do play at the same time regularly.
Your sessions together are likely to offer great rewards:
Paving the way for the future
The time spent together on common ground should help keep a closer relationship with Johnny when he leaves and develops other interests. As long as the two of you didn't get carried away with playing all the time, you'll have taught him how to schedule his time. With good study habits and the idea of rewarding work with play, Johnny should be able to handle the time constraints and temptations that adulthood brings. He'll also be acting like an adult instead of giving gamers a bad name. And you now have a way of still hanging out with Johnny, even if he moves to the other side of the planet. Whether you'll be playing a Blizzard game, or whatever the next great MMO is, you'll be able to spend meaningful time together in a way that a phone call or email just can't provide.
More parental reading from the Drama Mamas
MMOfamily: My fellow Drama Mama, Lisa Poisso, writes a column about parenting and MMOs over at our sister site, Massively.
Azeroth Interrupted: My retired column tackled a few parenting topics. Gamer Interrupted: My retired column on Massively also discussed a few.
WoW, Casually is a column for those of us who are playtime-challenged. We've got your guides for choosing the best class, finding a casual guild, keeping your account safe and choosing the best addons for casual play. But wait there's more! If you have questions or tips about how to get the most out of your limited playtime, please send them to robin AT wow DOT com for a possible future column.
Last year, I talked about playing with preschoolers and reading-age children. Several months later, I'd like to continue the series by tackling the topic of teens. I'm now tempted to talk in tantalizing alliteration, but I really can't keep it up. Anyway...
Teens provide a completely different challenge than the young children we've discussed before. Teens are already extremely competent readers, experience Trade Chat-like talk in school on a regular basis and have the coordination skills required to fully play the game. So they don't need the coddling and constant supervision, but that doesn't mean that the benefits of parents playing with teens aren't just as valuable.
Important Note
This article is for responsible parents who wish to make the most out of their and their child's gaming. All parents know that their children require other activities than gaming. In no way am I suggesting that playing WoW with your child should be the only activity done together or that it should be your child's only leisure pursuit. We all know that human beings need a balance of work and play, active and sedentary, outside and inside, social and solitary, etc. If a teen has issues with addiction, anti-social behavior or any developmental problem; Captain Obvious says that his or her parents need to seek professional help as well as use their own brains to try to solve these issues. Enough disclaimers, let's get to the guide.
In order to avoid pronoun trouble, today's teen will be played by Johnny. Actual gender and name may vary.
Don't ban video games
I'm going to assume here that you want Johnny to not only attend, but graduate from a university. Even if that is not the case, you still want Johnny to be happy and successful when he is out on his own. When he doesn't have you to supervise him, he's going to be tempted to do the things he enjoys rather than study, work, clean, etc. If you ban video games during the school year or even during the week, he may not learn the required time management skills he'll need to succeed after he leaves the nest. If, with your guidance, he is able to create and keep a schedule balancing school, study, chores and leisure time; it will be an old habit by the time he's exposed to greater responsibilities and temptations.
Playing WoW is cool(Note: When I use the word "cool", I mean what your particular teen thinks is cool. I do not mean what the general populace thinks is cool. If your teen doesn't think playing WoW is a cool thing for him to do, then this article is obviously not for you. This section is about common ground between parent and teen, not peer pressure.)
The generation gap that occurs between parents and children is really more of a Cool Gap. If we don't like the entertainment options our kids like, we are uncool. And, unfortunately, Johnny is more likely to respect and want to emulate the people who he thinks are cool. So you are competing with the hot chick in Trigonometry, the clique of "nonconformists" and the druggy at lunch who complains that the cafeteria plates are trying to compartmentalize his life. If you both think Azeroth is a cool place to hang out, you are much less likely to be tuned out in non-Azerothian situations.
Don't be naive
Remember all those things you did when you were Johnny's age? Yeah, he's doing them too. Oh, kids these days don't do that anymore? Then he's doing the current equivalent. Johnny's a good kid and he'd never do that? Johnny may have a different definition of "good" -- either through changing times, a different philosophy or insufficient education -- and may think it's OK to experiment. Keeping all internet access in a centralized location, where someone could be looking over his shoulder at any time, will reduce the chances of online transgressions from occurring while he is home. Don't let the runaway story happen to you.
When and how
Johnny should be able to have some sessions without you, just as you should have some non-parenting WoW playtime. But do play at the same time regularly.
- Overlap your sessions: You can still get many of the benefits of playing with Johnny without actually grouping with him. You can also make sure that if you start your playtime partway through his, that he logs off at the scheduled time. This will also allow you to witness any extenuating circumstances when he is unable to log off right on schedule. Should he not have started that activity so late? Did he rely too much on someone else? Let him make make these mistakes and then tell him how to avoid them offline after the session.
- Plan playdates: Johnny will cringe at the use of the word "playdate", so perhaps the use of "appointment" might be better. Regardless, you should definitely have some time grouped together. The groups don't have to be just the two of you, however. I highly recommend running some random PUGs together, hanging out with regular online friends and even raiding, time permitting. Both of you working together on a team will really build a comeraderie that is hard to find other than participating in team sports.
Your sessions together are likely to offer great rewards:
- Leading by example: Your interactions with other players, particularly the funsuckers, will have a huge impact on Johnny. He will see how an adult should handle the large variety of social situations that WoW provides. Captain Obvious says that the whole "Do as I say, not as I do." philosophy is not quite as effective as demonstrating the best way to interact with all kinds of people.
- Language use: This may sound schoolmastery, but go ahead and require Johnny to type out his sentences fully. He should be able to easily see the difference between how you get treated when you sound educated as opposed to sounding like an almost illiterate brat. The rest of us will thank you for it as well.
- Networking: Guild interactions, friends lists, sharing, grouping, forum posting -- all of these provide excellent practice in becoming part of a community and nurturing extended relationships. Encourage participation and offer yourself as a resource for any issues that come up.
- Reference skills: Whether the two of you are just duoing or even if you are raiding, don't just spoonfeed Johnny specs, gear options, etc. If he takes ownership of his character, looks into everything he wants to accomplish and how to do it, he'll be learning skills he needs to complete both school and work assignments.
- Handling conflict: Sure, you're both going to have to deal with conflicts with other people in-game and that is a good learning tool. But you and Johnny are also going to have disagreements about WoW as well. He may try your patience. You may annoy him. You both may hate how the other handled a situation. It won't all be good times. Resolving these in-game conflicts will help you both with out of game issues as well. Or it might even reveal underlying problems that needed to be dealt with. Unless you are the type of person who avoids dealing with things until you absolutely have to (which is a whole other issue), you will find this a healthy experience.
Paving the way for the futureThe time spent together on common ground should help keep a closer relationship with Johnny when he leaves and develops other interests. As long as the two of you didn't get carried away with playing all the time, you'll have taught him how to schedule his time. With good study habits and the idea of rewarding work with play, Johnny should be able to handle the time constraints and temptations that adulthood brings. He'll also be acting like an adult instead of giving gamers a bad name. And you now have a way of still hanging out with Johnny, even if he moves to the other side of the planet. Whether you'll be playing a Blizzard game, or whatever the next great MMO is, you'll be able to spend meaningful time together in a way that a phone call or email just can't provide.
More parental reading from the Drama Mamas
MMOfamily: My fellow Drama Mama, Lisa Poisso, writes a column about parenting and MMOs over at our sister site, Massively.
Azeroth Interrupted: My retired column tackled a few parenting topics. Gamer Interrupted: My retired column on Massively also discussed a few.
- Making MMOs safe for your children
- Being a great parent and gamer at the same time
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, WoW, Casually







Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
RedGuard Jan 30th 2010 1:44PM
>_< That was meant to be in reply to Whyisretgimped. ^
Whyisretgimped Jan 30th 2010 3:51PM
@Lisa:
I have read about educators who use WoW as an instructional tool. There are plenty of educators who are absolutely clueless as to what is good or bad educational practice. Many take something (like a game) and apply it because it looks good on paper, but in actual real world practice it's a nightmare. If I had a nickel for every time a person with a PhD in education suggested I do something in a classroom that was an utter failure in actual practice, I could retire.
@Robin Torres:
Though WoW does have a lot of elements of strategy, these are not implemented in a way that effectively translates into developing critical thinking skills in people below a certain age. If you don't already know how to implement problem solving skills to most elements of WoW which require strategy, it's not going to teach you how to.
Also, your response to my criticism of the adult content chat channels bring to WoW should really be re-examined. Yes children are exposed to these things in school, but I have seen things said in chat channel that the writers of the Sopranos would shy away from. If I wouldn't let a 13 year old watch the Sopranos (and if you want to argue it's okay for a 13 year old to watch the Sopranos, then that's pretty frightening), why would I let them play a video game where they will be exposed to those things? Also the unfiltered, consequence free environment of a WoW chat channel is guaranteed to be far worse then any school hallway, especially if you're talking about middle school and younger.
Your argument is also quite faulty in the sense that you're basically saying "if they're already exposed to something bad, then more of it can't hurt them". That just doesn't make sense and it's a truly frightening way to approach raising children. If I knew my children were being exposed to bad things at school, I would want to control how much they're exposed to it as much as I could.
Robin Torres Jan 30th 2010 5:38PM
Because this is an article about teens, it is, of course, about children 13 years and older, not younger. Middle school would, of course, be the beginning of this range.
You set yourself up as the arbiter of all that is good or bad in the education of teens, rather than backing up your claims with anything but your own opinion. In fact, you make it clear that you don't listen to anyone with a PHD in education, which you obviously don't have. Unlike the teachers in Lisa's interview, you haven't actually used WoW in practice nor does it sound like you have actually attempted to teach using Civ, which you proclaim is so much better. So what makes your opinion worth so much more than mine, Lisa's, the teachers in her interview and the other commenters here?
Of course, I and anyone who has attempted anything in a group in WoW, know that it does teach problem solving as well as many other valuable lessons. It teaches you in a better way than Civ does. In Civ, you learn by trial and error. You have trial and error in WoW too, but by virtue of watching others solve problems in groups, you are also able to learn by observation and emulation.
Of course, I don't want my daughter, when she is a teen, exposed to racism and all of the cruel personal attacks that go on in school. But it doesn't matter what I want. It's what happens. If, in game, she is exposed to it and I explain to her exactly how a statement insults a whole group of people and why it's not true, then I can actually use the tradechat foulmouths to do some good.
But really, expecting to control what a teenager in high school is exposed to is naive at best and manipulative at worst. High school is the time when we as parents know our children are being exposed to some of the worst behavior that adults can do, but this is our chance to teach our children how to handle it before they don't have us around as their safety net.
By all means, don't let your teenagers play WoW. This article is for WoW playing parents who have WoW playing teens and want to make better use of their WoW playtime.
Whyisretgimped Jan 30th 2010 6:20PM
I've actually been using video games to teach students in my classroom for almost 10 years, which is probably a lot more experience than most educators who use games have. It certainly has given me more data to work work with than what would be available to most PhD's. I have seen what students respond well to, and I have seen what students respond poorly to. There have been times where I've implemented them poorly and there was simply game playing going on and very little learning (though far more often my use of games was extremely effective). It's from these implementations that I truly learned what is effective and what isn't effective when it comes to video games and education.
Everything I have learned about using video games to teach students points away from a game like WoW. The game lulls the player into a trance like state where very little active thought is going on. Other games force the player to constantly make decisions that require higher order thinking. The inordinate amount of time WoW literally makes you waste doing mindless things like riding from one town to another or repeatedly killing the same monster is the bulk of WoW playing. This is not going to be an effective use of time spent when it comes to actually educating a student.
As far as exposing teens to things, I am under no delusion that you can control what your child does when you're not with them. You can try to steer them away from things, but you can't shield them from a lot of what the world throws at them. But to knowingly expose them to content that is inappropriate almost seems like negligence to me. I wouldn't let my 16 year old watch the Sopranos, I wouldn't let them watch American Pie movies, I wouldn't let them go to a KKK rally, and I wouldn't let them play WoW, all for the same reasons. WoW chat contains all of the inappropriate material found in all of the above places and in a concentrated, consequence free form including web links and ASCII images. Why would I willingly let them be exposed to that when I absolutely can keep them away from it when they are in my house?
The argument that because you can't control everything in their lives, you should willingly expose them to bad things you know they're exposed to in other places is simply faulty.
JayMS Jan 30th 2010 5:45PM
Great Read!
I think this article is interesting on many fronts. In our age of technology it can be harder for an older generation to connect with a younger one. I'm 24 and kids are learning technology faster then I ever did and yet I have to teach my parents basic stuff about computers all the time. I find it touching that a family can have this connection and I felt like I understood all of your thoughts. My parents never understood video games. This created a gap. Yes video games has caused me to get behind in school multiple times but it isn't the games fault. I've always taken responsibility for my actions but I never really learned proper time management skills. It was either play video games or not, never really regimented. I think playing with your child can have huge benefits because you can understand if someone wants to join a 5 man- that can range in time from 20 minutes to over an hour. You can coach and teach your child after the fact about this and guide them correctly to the right area.
I also agree with your assessment of "cool." It is all a matter of perspective. I am very nerdy- but my whole life (until recently) I was a jock- I competed at a Division 1 University with scholarship, so I was able to see things from a different perspective. The main thing though really should be- if you like something, and it isn't detrimental to your or others health, then you should have no qualms doing this. I was able to say to people who made fun of video games that I had a life in that I had friends, was very successful in sports so it was easier, but that isn't the point, you can still have a life and do other things while loving a nerdy game. It's a matter of pride and confidence- if you don't have these things you wont be happy! I think people who went to drinking parties in HS were lame and fake, but I didn't belittle them because of this- different perspectives.
Kyle Jan 30th 2010 7:36PM
Interesting article. I agree with the majority of your points however you do seem to have a very insulting way to refer to teenagers and I can see why some are becoming offended upon reading the article. I imagine however that this is simply because i'm not used to the common American psycho-babble inspired over-parenting that we're not subjected to in Europe.
Perhaps these teenagers responding to the article would be a little more open-minded about your points if you were a little more open-minded about them and wrote as if they were teenagers because reading the article it could be written about a 10 year old rather than a 16 year old.
Cathubodva Jan 30th 2010 9:31PM
Interesting article ^_^
Both my sons and I play WoW, one is preteen and one is 19. We all have a blast together, my older son main tanks for my guild. Every now and again he gets a bit froggy and I have to threaten to unplug the router while he's in a dungeon.
Video games are a great way to reward a child as well as a great tool for inspiring better behavior and school work. My youngest currently earns his WoW time with his grades and whether or not his chores are done.
All in all I find having them play the game with me gives us a bond mothers and sons might not usually have.
jurandr Jan 31st 2010 4:03PM
I would never join the same guild as my dad or be in a group with him w/ strangers (both of us have friends who play) because he is embarrassing. He calls me by name (which I think makes randoms uncomfortable) and makes sure the whole wide world knows I'm his son.
And he types like an 8 year old AOL'er.
Also, I quit the game four months ago since my friends did, and now we do other stuff, but my dad kept since his friends still play and he likes spending time with him outside of the professional work environment, but he never shuts up about all the stuff he's doing in there. I seriously don't care!
Parents: If you insist on playing with your teen, understand that language standards have evolved since 1998, and that txt speak is only good in text messages and twitter, where your character count actually matters. And if your kid leaves, don't try to suck him back in.
Robin Torres Jan 31st 2010 4:11PM
What is hysterical about that, jurandr, is that most people think the ones typing in texting-speak are kids.
/sympathy
Ura Hero Feb 2nd 2010 3:10PM
My son is 13. We play WoW and group regularly. He thinks that it is cool that mom and dad play video games with him. Although my 15 year old daughter does not play WoW, we play other video games with her as well and she enjoys our company. We read the same books our kids read and watch the same movies. Not always as a group. As the article said, everyone needs alone time.
Both of our kids are extremely well adjusted and so far we haven't had any real issues with them.
Why do I have perfect kids you ask? They are far from prefect. Trust me on this. Neither one will keep their room clean, put dishes in the dishwasher, or any of a dozen other annoyances. They do however talk to us and keep us informed as to what is important in their lives.
I think the key to having kids that people compliment us on is that they are not afraid to communicate to us. My daughter comes home and tells us the latest jokes, dirty or clean. She talks about what her friends are doing and whether she thinks it is wrong or right. Our son tells us when he is having issues. They don't try to hide poor school performance.
I attribute this to the fact that we set solid rules and we don't yell at them for every little mistake. The rules are simple. Don't act or be stupid. Do your chores. Get good grades in school. As far as mistakes go, everyone makes mistakes. Some are worth punishing for. Most are worth a short discussion on why the mistake happened and how to keep it from happening again (5 minutes tops). A good portion are just note it down mentally and go on without ever saying anything and bring it up later if need be (most of the time the issue fades after a day or so).
I talk to my coworkers and see that they blow up over the smallest things. My advice to parents. Lighten up a bit and praise your kid for the things they do right. Spend some time with them doing something you both enjoy whether it is video games, a ball game, hiking, reading the same book, whatever it is that you can both enjoy and talk about. Kids have way too much pressure to perform without you riding their butt over every single issue. Cut them some slack and go overboard with the praise when they do right.
Before anyone starts to call me Dr. Spock, let me say that I have no problem swatting a kids rear if it needs it. I think for my kids I may have swatted them maybe a dozen times all told. I can remember almost every occasion for it having happened. Stealing, lying, and willful destruction were the top causes. Swatting means just that. Not beating. Beating anyone is just plain wrong.
To sum this up, finding an activity that you and your child both enjoy and can talke about enables your child to feel more at ease with you and to see you as a person with similar likes and dislikes. With good conversation at the end of their childhood you'll end up with a much happier and well adjusted persond who is open with you and talks to you regularly.