Breakfast Topic: Fun with jerks

As soon as we get in the tank says he's never done it before and do we think he should drop the group. We all try to be reassuring, since everyone's had to start somewhere and his gear was certainly good enough for a heroic. Then the first pull began and we quickly learned that he wasn't kidding about having never done it before and that the answer he was actually hoping for was that someone else would tank, because he clearly had no idea what he was doing, period. Furthermore, he was ridiculously hyper-critical of the healer (who didn't seem to be having any significant issues healing the group) and would go on long tirades blaming the healer for not having healed him at all when the healer was clearly dropping heals on everyone in the group including him. Drop to 90% on a trash pull because you ran up the ramp out of LoS? Yell at the healer. Take damage from one of the ghostly skulls and not get healed to full before pulling the giant skeletons? Rant at the healer. Frankly, I have no idea why the guy took it.
Finally, after the last pull before Devourer of Souls, where he deliberately went and chain pulled three of the Spectral Warders despite the healer having said OOM and then blamed the healer for letting him die when he had a 75% healing reduction debuff and the healer was out of mana, I'd basically had enough.
Now, I could have just ranted at him, or dropped group. But that felt like abandoning the healer, who had been working very hard in mostly iLevel 200 blues and had in fact kept the entire group up through the tank's not knowing to move Brohnjam away from the soul fragment or to collapse to the center so that he stood outside and Icy Touch spammed while the group stood in the middle and DPS'd. So instead, I decided to do what I suspected the DK wanted me to do back at the beginning of the instance. In the middle of yet another paragraph of text about how the pally hadn't healed him at all I put on my tank set, switched specs, and said in party "Okay, if you don't trust his heals you don't have to tank it anymore. Pulling."
It was a remarkably smooth kill for a group that basically four manned it (the former tank I'd usurped didn't have time to switch specs or get on any DPS gear, which is as I'd intended) and I received an angry tell from the former tank calling me various expletives and profanities, which only made the "Wow, thanks for stepping in" comments in part all the sweeter. Yes, it absolutely was a jerk move on my part, but reading the healer's "Yay, thank you" afterward made it worth it to me. However, it completely ruined my data collection for my passive ArP test, so I'm going to have to go queue up for another random as DPS now. I guess nothing is perfect.
So now I ask you, gentle readers: have you ever just said "enough of mister rock star" and done something like this? Or do you think I was totally unjustified?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 16)
Gamer am I Jan 30th 2010 8:07AM
Though I haven't done anything that extreme before, you were totally justified. If the tank didn't know what he was doing, he had no right to blame the healer as extensively as he did, and pulling three spectral warders when the healer is OOM is nothing more than unabashed jerkiness.
The farthest I've gone is, while healing, letting a DPS take some damage after he continually blames the tank for not being able to hold aggro while Bladestorming before the enemies even reach the tank. Sometimes, while tanking, I'll do a similar thing and not taunt the enemy off of him. It seems they only learn when their douch-bagary affects their repair bill.
gftlrobin Feb 6th 2010 12:49PM
I play Healadin and find this tactic to be very effective when a jerkwad starts the random with observations about everyone else being undergeared or poorly specced. H Nex was my fav example of this when a DK noted I had mistakenly handed out "welfare" buffs and /raged. We four manned the first 2 bosses before he apologized and I began throwing heals his way again after he spent all his time at about 5% health.
Well played, Sir.
Tomatketchup Jan 30th 2010 9:30AM
I do the same; When I heal, I don't heal the jerks until they are at 5%, then I maybe do a quick flash heal, and continue on with the others: It's always fun to see them desperately trying to stay alive, like backing off or drinking a potion.
Then there was this time that was like Rossi's situation; Tank was a jerk and blamed the healer. In the end I got tired of him and said "Then fine, let me tank if the healer does such a bad job." So I ran to Bronjahm as an enhancement shaman and started frost shocking him. Tank left soon after he realized that I had been able to outaggro him with frost shocks only.
Heilig Jan 30th 2010 10:00AM
It's even more fun as a Ret pally. Throw on enough tank gear to survive, which is really not very much in an easier heroic like UK or Nexus, but stay Ret. I'm in ICC raid gear, so even if half my gear is tank gear, I still do 4-5K in a heroic, and way more than that on trash with my Ret 2pc. If the tank is being a jerk, I just put on this set of gear, pop up Righteous Fury, and proceed to tear aggro off him no matter what he tries. I always let the healer know, of course, and much hilarity will ensue as the healer proceeds to berate him for not holding aggro off of me so he has to keep healing me.
It's a great way to kill a half hour.
Kurdon Jan 30th 2010 11:00AM
Totally justified. My situation on the uncommon occasion that I queue as DPS instead of my usual tank role ends up being a bit different, as I somehow ALWAYS end up switching to tank before a third of the dungeon is done. I think I've only successfully PUG'd a dungeon as DPS once since /lfd was put in.
On two of the most recent occasions, I didn't even have to say anything or step in. The tank would nerd rage and leave before I even had a chance/inclination to to take action. Which would have left us waiting around for who-knows-how-long for a tank from the queue, essentially forcing me to go tank whether I wanted or not.
I usually don't let them 'get out of it' though, so to speak. If they queued for tanking, I'm gonna make sure they get the flak for not being prepared. Either they're gonna sweat bullets and wing it, nerd rage and leave, or ask for genuine advice and be willing to receive constructive feedback. Hopefully, if it happens often enough, they'll get the hint and stop pulling that stunt unless they are genuinely capable of tanking 5-mans with a decent healer. If the tactic is not working well for them and they keep getting the 15 minute lockout with no discernible progress towards completing their daily, they'll probably realize how much time they're wasting and just wait in the DPS queue like they should have from the start.
In fact, I wouldn't be opposed to extending the lockout to an hour. That way, there's even more incentive to make sure you're intending to fill the role you queued for instead of trying to hack the system and take a chance on someone being able to take over your job.
Deathgodryuk Jan 30th 2010 12:25PM
That seemed like a perfect example of what "Vote to Kick" is for?
vazhkatsi Jan 30th 2010 12:39PM
there was this one time in hor, the tank had a worse set than i did, but i was there for dps upgrades, and i tend to get yelled at if i roll need on a dps item as a tank. so we dpsed it, and the shammy had to reincarn once, and on the 4th wave the tank died. i killed the last add as arms, and switched to my tank gear. i didn't have time to switch specs, but i got him down to 2000 health til our healer and dps died and then so did I. but if i hadn't died it would have been awesome.
and i've been leveling a feral druid and had plenty of runs where i've switched to tank because the current guy is an idiot in dps gear, or the tank is a dk. (sorry i have yet to meet a decent dk tank while leveling)
seanthehorde Jan 30th 2010 1:09PM
When I'm healing on my shammy, if the tank acts like he's in the Indy 500 and refuses to wait for me when I kindly ask to slow down or get mana and chain pulls, I just don't heal him.
Occasionally I throw earth shield on another party member that isn't the tank. If he asks why I didn't heal him I just say he was "Out of range" or "You were out of LoS"
I love playing God as a healer ;)
One time I had a tank that was such an asshole I tried to vote to kick him, not realizing one of his friends was in the group as well. Once the VTK was iniated, party chat was filled with "Why are we kicking the tank?". The tank replied "It's probably the noob healer, I'm gonna kick him vote 'yes'."
Needless to say I was ported out of the dungeon
loop_not_defined Jan 30th 2010 8:08PM
I love to DPS. Tanking is fun...but DPS brings me just soooo much more joy. I pride myself in being useful and never taking aggro, even if it's a so-so tank, and especially out-DPSing people with much better gear than I.
But I carry my tanking set with me. Always. DPS is fun...but I can't stand jackasses, and am more than willing to step in and vote-kick snobs, ESPECIALLY right before the last boss.
Xapdos Jan 30th 2010 8:51PM
There was a truly obnoxious dps in an oculus group that i healed. He was ragging on the tank, on me, on the other dps, and just generally being a jerk. I finally had enough of him, and simply stopped healing him. He died a couple times and then finally realized what i was doing (or not doing). Him "you didnt heal me at all-- you just let me die." Me: "I dont heal jerks." He dropped group, we replaced him and had a pleasant run.
Gothia Jan 31st 2010 5:29AM
Yes, you were totally justified especially since it was late and probably not the best time to queue as Dps. Healers take a lot of flak from people that do not know their roles. I am hessitant to tank with my Druid (primary healer) since I have his tank set ready to go for the most part and think if I was queued for an Icc 5 I would apologize to the group for being unprepared for this instance before I promptly left group. You have to know your limitations and it is much easier to learn a i200 vice i232 instance.
I wish all healers had an experienced tank when starting out because it makes a huge difference and is a great confidence builder. Good on you for taking the spotlight off that healer.
Blondies Feb 1st 2010 6:20AM
If it's dps being asses, I just very often refrain from healing them, letting them die. It's not always possible though (Damn you Ancestral Awakening!)
Henrah Jan 30th 2010 8:09AM
I think this was a totally justified decision.
I play a Resto Shaman 90% of the time, and the amount of Tanks I've come across that queue up for a random, and then either don't want to tank, or physically cannot tank, is beyond me.
Healing isn't a cakewalk, especially in the lower gear levels, and having a go at the healer very rarely saves any problems.
Did he die? Did the rest of his group die? No, so there's no need to complain, especially to someone who is clearly trying to gear up.
I take my hat off to you, Mr. Rossi for this decision!
Three cheers!
Hëx Jan 30th 2010 11:58AM
There is one random heroic that I can not tank yet, but I keep getting thrown into it due to my tanking set internal blizzard gear score. Can you guess what it is?
Yes the dreaded Heroic Halls of Reflection as a Death Knight tank. When I zone in I wait for everyone to be "present" then inform them that despite Blizzard thinking I can tank this, I have not successfully been able to tank it past wave 9 or 10. Too long of cooldowns between AoE threat generating abilities does me in every time.
Minimagicma Jan 30th 2010 12:48PM
@ Hex
This keeps happening to me whenever I queue up on my restro druid. He's in half blues half 213's (For some ungodly reason old guild kept pulling him ungeared into ulduar). I know very well that I cannot heal it but I get that one randomly about 75% of the time.
Anubi Feb 1st 2010 4:28PM
Hex, Yep HoR is tough to tank, especially for us DK tanks. I tank it as blood and have always been sucessful, granted I'm pretty geared but here's some tips that have worked out for me.
First, I move the whole group into the alcove to the left behind the boss guy. I know some tanks that don't like this but it works well for me. Then I drop DnD on the steps and adds have to run through it. I always mark the priest for first kill, then the mage. If DPS doesn't attack the marked target, make sure they know they are failing, not you.
Next priority is the marksman, I usually try to deathgrip him in while still killing the Priest/mage, then pestilence and let him take a few ticks of DnD before he disengages back out. That way he will at least be shooing at you and not the healer.
If you have someone in group that can CC, ice traps, fear undead, etc ask them to use those on the marksman, it will make your job a lot easier.
WoWie Zowie Jan 30th 2010 8:10AM
questions:
was this on heroic or regular?
how many wipes were there due to the tank?
pushmonk Jan 30th 2010 8:37AM
If you read the article, you will see that it was heroic.
EZ Jan 30th 2010 11:47AM
if you read the article, you will see that the tank clearly was the problem.
Zanathos Jan 30th 2010 2:39PM
Even if the group never wiped (which would have been due to the vigilance of the healer), that doesn't excuse the crappy tank's constant abuse of the healer.