WoW.com Guest Post: Is Arthas redeemable?

Richard Powell, otherwise known as Tharion Greyseer, has been an advocate of Warcraft lore and storytelling since he was first enthralled by Warcraft III:Reign of Chaos. Acting on his love of the lore, he started LoreCrafted to help highlight the setting's backstory and bring forth a similar appreciation from within other players. He can be often be found speculating on some of the deeper aspects of this fictional world as he tugs at the various plot threads woven by the developers.
As the Ashen Verdict beats down each of the barriers within Icecrown Citadel and defeats some of the most horrific of what the Scourge has to offer, a singular question pricks at the back of the mind of many a hero: does Arthas Menethil deserve redemption? Do not misunderstand. This is not a question of whether he will be redeemed, but a question of whether he should be redeemed. The difference is important.Sometime after Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne and that fateful cinematic of Arthas donning the now-iconic helm of the Lich King, Chris Metzen made it known: "Arthas and Ner'zhul have become a perfect fusion of one being--Arthas's personality and body with Ner'zhul's wisdom, experience, power, and evil." Indeed, even the events in Christie Golden's novel, Arthas: Rise of the Lich King, indicate that there is no struggle between two entities. Arthas, as we knew him, is dead. Arthas, as we know him now, is The Lich King. And Ner'zhul? He was most likely consumed by the entity which now exists within that armor.
In the quest, Tirion's Gambit, we see how the honorable Tirion Fordring gave up the last vestiges of hope that there is anything left in Arthas to salvage. His words are heavy when he admits, "By allowing me to peer into his heart, you allowed me to confirm what I needed to know. There is no Arthas Menethil anymore--there is only the Lich King."
Even the spirit of Uther the Lightbringer, perhaps one of the greatest paladins to have ever wielded the Holy Light, admits "Arthas is merely a presence within the Lich King's mind--a dwindling presence." When it's considered how long Uther's been trapped within Frostmourne, it's understood that he may have a deeper insight into the situation than any of the more recent heroes.
So it can be safely said that there's a rather strong indication that Arthas, the Lich King, will not find salvation. However, let us discard the above facts for a bit and instead make the claim that there is something left within our wayward Prince of Lordaeron to redeem. Let us assume that there is something of the "good Arthas" left therein. If we make this singular change, what then? Are we still left with an irredeemable villain, or is there a man who deserves the forgiveness than only the Holy Light can give? It's easy to hate the Lich King, after all. He's been one of the most visually iconic villains in Warcraft since Warcraft III. But what about the man who fell in love with Jaina Proudmoore and nearly wed her? What about the young Prince who so dearly loved his kingdom; the strong-hearted son of a king who drove himself mad trying to ensure the safety of his people? Should he be hated with equal passion?
Heavy is the head that wears the crown. Heavy, too, is the head of he who inherits the crown. Arthas Menethil lived in the shadow of his father, King Terenas Menethil II, and wanted nothing more than to do what was best for his kingdom. So passionately did Arthas want to do right by his people that he often allowed his judgement to be clouded. When the Scourge threat befell Lordaeron, Arthas reacted without hesitation--and without consideration of the consequences. He has proven hmself to be a brash man, having made snap judgements that lead to dangerous circumstances. It was this untempered passion that caused him to ignore the obvious dangers placed before him by the enemy. But a weapon untempered is brittle and prone to shattering upon the simplest of blows. Arthas was no different.
Some would claim that Arthas's fall truly began around the Culling of Stratholme, where he lead the slaughter of innocent civilians infected by the plague. Granted, Stratholme was a scenario calculated by Mal'ganis and the Scourge to trap Arthas in a situation he could never win. The young prince had two choices on that fateful day: cull the innocents before they turned to undead, or allow them to become the enemy and kill them regardless. There was no right choice in that matter, as both options lead to the death of innocent people. Stratholme stands as a landmark in Warcraft lore, being the window through which Arthas's allies and friends could catch a glimpse of what was to come.
There are some who believe that Arthas did not truly fall until after he took up the runeblade, Frostmourne, and began to hear the whispers of Ner'zhul. In truth, Arthas's descent began before he and his men ever set foot on the rime covered shores of Northrend. The frozen continent, however, certainly contributed to the prince's fall. It was here that Arthas defied his father's orders to return home, here that he hired mercenaries to burn the ships of his men so they had no choice but to stay, and here that he ordered his men to turn on those mercenaries in vengeance. Indeed, Arthas betrayed the trust of his soldiers and willingly lead them further into the icy heart of madness. His pursuit had ceased being about the people of Lordaeron and had solely become about his own pursuit of retribution.
One can easily argue that Arthas's madness was not his own, but was caused by the Scourge. He became so enthralled by his desire to defeat Mal'ganis that he lost sight of his own humanity. But one must realize that, until this point, there was no magical curse involved in Arthas's descent. The Lich King himself had orchestrated this plan to allow the young prince's own flaws to claw their way to the front. By the time Arthas claimed Frostmourne as his own, he was willing to turn himself over completely to the Lich King's grasp.
Indeed, Arthas Menethil's fall was not voluntary, it was instinctual.
This brings us back to the original question. Now, however, instead of having to forcibly assume that there is still a sliver of the "good" man within the Lich King, we understand with more clarity that he is the Lich King. There is no "good" Arthas for whom we should be seeking salvation, because the Arthas that some people want to see redeemed faded long before Warcraft III ever ended. The blade that was Arthas Menethil's untempered spirit was shattered by the Scourge upon the wastes of Northrend and forged anew in the heart of Icecrown Glacier. As we saw Arthas say in Christie Golden's Arthas: Rise of the Lich King: "Now there is only I. I am the Lich King. And I am ready."
This weapon cannot be unmade, it can only be broken.
Thus, the question breaks down. We can no longer assume that a sliver of the original Arthas Menethil still exists within the Lich King, because the original Arthas Menethil became the Lich King. There is no salvation for one so willingly damned.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Ozzard Feb 3rd 2010 2:02PM
Can I redeem one Arthas for a mount, please?
(ducks and runs)
Shizukera Feb 3rd 2010 2:11PM
No. The merchant doesn't want that item.
Eliezer Feb 3rd 2010 2:27PM
The answer to the question is "Yes."
However, this is not based on my opinion, but rather is required because Blizzard's storyline paints them into a corner.
On one hand, the Lich King has been portrayed as an evil scourge bent on killing us all... This would suggest no redemption. Aditionally, he has completely rebuffed every attempt at redemption made in the storyline.
However, where the necessity arises is in the decision of the storyline to say: "There must always be a Lich King" because ONLY Arthas' intervention has prevented the Scourge from actually, you know, winning... and killing us all.
By this means, Blizzard is saying "Oh, ya... IF the Lich King was really into it, he would win and you'd all die... it is /only by the virtue that there is still this redeemable part of him/ that it is possible to make him into a raid boss you can defeat."
Therefore, like Darth Vader in the Return of the Jedi, they will allow him a deathbed redemption while at the same time allowing the "new" Lich King to "hold back" the Scourge from actually winning.
Eliezer Feb 3rd 2010 2:46PM
@Rainingbow03
I'm afraid you have me confused with someone else. Here is my main: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadow+Council&cn=Haroon
I play WotLK regularly. However, you are correct that I am not a huge Lore junkie. The basis of my argument is not Lore, but practicality. Just like in TV shows, movies, books, etc. regardless of what was written before... they will change the story to justify what they write /next./
In this case they have clearly indicated that Arthas' influence is the only thing that stopped the Scourge from overrunning the world, and thus necessitates someone else of equal or (perferably) greater willpower and righteousness must take up the mantle after him so that the Scourge is held in check.
So regardless of the books and such, this is what Blizzard is CURRENTLY espousing as the "truth" and if it doesn't make sense, too bad for us :-p
mtsadowski Feb 3rd 2010 3:12PM
The story of Arthas is interesting because it also demonstrates the power of the ego. I don't mean to sound new-agey here, but Arthas goes from being a savior to his people to being consumed with winning. Only his way is the right way, only he can stop the evil, only he can win. These are not signs of self sacrifice, these are egoic traits.
When he dooms himself and becomes one with the Lich King, the game says that Arthas is the only thing stopping the Scourge from going all-out nuts on the world. With that said, yes, Arthas can be redeemed.
If I were to guess, Blizzard has drawn from a lot of hero-tales from history, maybe even took ideas from Joseph Campbell's work. If that's the case, then well played and well written!
For those that say that Arthas cannot be redeemed, I say this. "The Light" knows only love. "The Light" does not care who it heals... all are welcome, whether it's undead, scourge, orc, troll or human. If "The Light" didn't do this... it's not "The Light."
That's just my two cents.
Aedilhild Feb 3rd 2010 3:18PM
Eliezer's right — a dramatic ending trumps lore, and anyway, Tirion Fordring's prime characteristic is arrogant presumption.
To that end, the Lich King can be weakened through Arthas' conscience; Arthas can be freed through defeat, and redeemed in death. That would set up a brief dialogue between the fallen paladin and those who fought against what Arthas became.
Irony might work best if the dying, sightless Arthas is finally pulled away to a vision of "the people of Lordaeron, freed" (their souls having finally been emancipated from the Scourge) and the approach of his father, who awaits in the care of the Light.
Deadly. Off. Topic. Feb 3rd 2010 3:47PM
I'd like to think it's Blizzard's way of saying, "We don't know what we're doing either." They say one thing here and then change it later, then they go on and pretend that didn't happen or retcon a different story in... so that people are like "WTF gives?"
Personally for me, each media is a viewpoint into a possibility. Warcraft by itself is its own entity, WoW in itself is its own too, as well as books by various authors... movies (if they ever happen).. Cartoons...etc. They may been on what we have, but in themselves they're there own unit.
I think the biggest mistake people make is to want to glomp them into ONE seemly unit when they're really legs and arms on a different, but oddly similar body.
mtsadowski Feb 3rd 2010 3:57PM
@Deadly. Off. Topic.
I agree with you that Blizzard keeps changing its mind. Arthas is pure evil... yet, Arthas is the only thing keeping the Scourge from going nuts.
I would love to see WoW.com do a poll (if they have not already): Do we want to redeem Arthas?
snowleopard233 Feb 3rd 2010 3:59PM
Hey, is this the joke post I seriously reply to so that I get on the first page?
SaintStryfe Feb 3rd 2010 4:21PM
Eliezer: I disagree. Arthas' arrogance - that he can fix things - that he chooses things right (see Stratholm, Culling of) is what keeps the Scourge in check. Not some unsung prt of his humanity. As we saw in the cinematic, there is only darkness for him. He's gone. Nothing left. Pitiable? Yes. But not redeemable.
Zhimm Feb 4th 2010 12:10AM
Ok i have seen the cinimatic, i have read the books and every peice of lore on arthas i cna egt my hands on. played wc3 and all that. heck he was oen fo the reason i played the game.
is he redeemable : yes because all souls are redeemable if they seek it.
will he be redeemed? no idea. after his fall who knwos what happens to his body or spirit.
the cinimatic makes no mention of his seeking it or not.
arthas" father is it over?
Father: At long last. No king rules forever my son. 9his father cradles him)
this cna iner a lot and its vague. does he mean his riegn? or does he mean that the wieght of evil he placed upon himself is over. no one will know trully until blizz makes it clear.
Arthas: i see only darkness before me.. this can mean anything, it sounds allmost sad as if he finaly accepted that his evil has damned him.
fordring for all his bluster, can only speak his oppinion. he believes hes irredeemable, mostly because he needs to believe it to end him. if no further effort after tirions gambit is made, then it makes it easier to deal with the problem without hesitation.
Arthas was a monster, but as it was said before the light forgives all who seek it. the naruu are perfect examples of this. light and dark.
let us hope trully that there is no such thing as irredeemable evil.
Kondin Feb 3rd 2010 2:07PM
The lore donuts Blizzard has spun around Arthas has left me more than a little disappointed. Somehow he's holding back the scourge and somehow his heart was torn out and Tirion himself said theres no way to redeem him.
jealouspirate Feb 3rd 2010 2:15PM
I agree completely. Maybe you can help us out here, Richard?
The Arthas novel and that questline with Tirion had me assured that there was no Arthas Menethil, but then in the new five mans we find out that part of Arthas IS in there, holding back the true might of the Scourge. I wont spoil anything, but there's also evidence from the new ICC info that shows that there is some "real" Arthas in there.
I'm confused! Are these mistakes and inconsistencies, or is there an explanation?
Hangk Feb 3rd 2010 2:23PM
The whole "The Lich King prevents the Scourge from destroying Azeroth" thing makes absolutely no sense. It is the Scourge's goal to destroy Azeroth. If they are able to do so without the Lich King, why are they not able to do it with the Lich King in command, since that's what he wants to do?
I think a better way to spin the whole thing would be that there always IS a Lich King. If a new one is not chosen by the old one's slayers, a new one will simply arise -- a new, unknown Lich King potentially smarter, more devious, and more powerful than Arthas. Given the opportunity, however, they can choose the new Lich King: one that will keep the Scourge in check rather than send them forth to destroy. Hence Mr. B having to take one for the team.
Draelan Feb 3rd 2010 3:38PM
I have a couple theories on how even these conflicting views could be cohesive...
First, it can work out if you don't take the ending to the Lich King novel too literally. In the book, the Lich King runs through both Ner'zhul and Arthas with Frostmourne in his mental dreamscape. If you take this literally, it means he destroys them. If you don't, though, it could mean he has banished them from his conscious mind, preventing them from directly influencing his actions, as they had been trying to do during the entire novel. This does not, however, mean they are completely gone. It could simply mean that these two entities are contained within his subconscious. This does not necessarily preclude the ability to influence the Lich King, they merely would not be able to actively seek to influence him. Thus, the entity known as the Lich King is NOT Arthas Menethil any longer, but neither is he completely free of his influence. (How else would Matthius Lehner exist since the "slaying" of Ner'zhul and Arthas occurred when he was still dormant on the Frozen Throne?)
A second possibility is that of Frostmourne. We already know that the blade contains the souls of countless people. "Just as the blade rends flesh, so must power scar the spirit." Who's to say that this "scarring of the spirit" was not the blade devouring part, or all, of the wielder's soul? Thus, there could be a part of Arthas trapped within Frostmourne, only able to be released when the blade shatters, just like the other souls. It would also be a remarkably cruel fate for anyone who wielded the blade... Rip the soul from the wielder so that they are not so inhibited by their conscience, and can perform great acts of terror, but do not destroy the soul so that this part of the wielder suffers under the horrible actions they have done. Scar the spirit, indeed.
Kharon Feb 14th 2010 7:09PM
Now here, I have to quote Rainingbow03:
"There's no way Uther could know that it was Arthas holding back the Scourge. How could he? He was inside Frostmourne and not inside the Helm of Domination. No way can he know what was really inside Arthas' head."
If you have at least listened to the sound files of the fight against the Lich King, you'll know that it had been his plan all along to lure heroes to the Frozen Throne; those who could reach him, after defeating all the ubber-bosses of Icecrown, were clearly super-awesome and the Lich King planned to turn them into his new Scourge-Generals. So, the Scourge wasn't destroying the world NOT because a portion of Arthas was holding it back, but because the Lich King was distilling the best-of-the-best to become truly invincible.
So, as I see it, as in RL, people can be wrong. In this case, it was Uther trying to give people hope because, well that's what he does.
ElrithCC Feb 3rd 2010 2:10PM
Perhaps he could feel shame and remorse for his choices, but I do not think he deserves to be forgiven.
Hitler may have loved his people in his mind, or perhaps only power, but the best intentions do not excuse the choices he made.
Regardless of how you feel about the character or identify, he chose to follow absolutes, and there is only folly in that.
Arbitor Feb 3rd 2010 2:11PM
Holy shit that was awesome!
And just what I've always thought! :D
ElrithCC Feb 3rd 2010 2:12PM
Lore donuts? I appreciate the mixed being Blizzard has created, and the shades of gray that exist within us all. It is possible to do terrible things, with less than terrible intentions.
Hoggersbud Feb 3rd 2010 2:12PM
He's only redeemable in NY, MI and CT.