Ensidia temporarily banned for exploits

The story is that Ensidia made use of Saronite Bombs to "bypass The Lich King fight mechanics" (Saronite Bombs and similar items were disabled in a hotfix last night). In addition to the temporary ban, all items and achievements they gained from downing Arthas have been revoked. Before the ban (but after the hotfix), Ensidia put up a post claiming that they didn't think the bombs were an exploit; Blizzard obviously isn't buying it.
Meanwhile, Muqq, the Ensidia player who posted about the ban, has taken this as an opportunity to quit WoW (and rant a bit at Blizzard about "half-assed encounters"), saying "to ban people when they do not know what's causing the bugs is just a [expletive] joke."
Update: It's worth a mention that the language Muqq used at the end of his post is identical (save places and names) to this post by Tigole (scroll to the bottom -- it's the last thing on the page), written of EverQuest in 2002. Be warned, neither of these are safe for work.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 20)
jrizutko Feb 4th 2010 2:22PM
@Bananacup
If your five year old throws a tantrum the same way you did when you were five, does that mean his tantrum is valid, or that you were both 5 at one time?
Rg37s Feb 4th 2010 2:35PM
The fact that so many people read Muqq's post, flame him and Ensidia for w/e reason and have no idea why the rant is so incredibly pro is funny in and of itself. I am not on anyones "side" or anything like that but I think its very funny how success and position IE (Tigole) can allow people to think they can be completely hypocritical and get away with it... Grats to Muqq for digging up that post and throwing it in their face!
DivineB Feb 4th 2010 3:13PM
Here's another response from Ensidia's Mage Class Lead:
http://ensidia.com/Ekyu/blog/4079/
ozone Feb 4th 2010 5:32PM
I personally haven't done this fight yet but I don't see why finding a way to make a fight easier without writing a program or using outside software of some kind is a ban-able offense. Seriously its human nature to use what is given to us and find the best and easiest way to accomplish a task.
If they write something into the game they should you this as an opportunity to fix bugs when people discover them not take it out on the players. Until the come out with a manual of what constitutes a bug and where they are located how can they put it ALL on the player. The way I look at it is we are helping them do their job by finding some of these.
Ive been playing for 3 years as a healer and I'm sure Ive been part of an "exploit" in one way or another but because I dont pay attention to every aspect of the game and I cant be sure if everything Ive ever done in the game was completed in the way Blizzard intended it.
Maybe not right but don't ban people over it, maybe take away the acheiv and thanks them for the find. :)
Knob Feb 4th 2010 5:27PM
You guys do know that Jeff Kaplan (Tigole) is no longer working on WoW, right?
kabshiel Feb 4th 2010 5:27PM
@ Rg37s:
It's not really very original. That Tigole post gets dug up and rewritten just about every time Blizzard does something they don't like.
DAWG Feb 4th 2010 7:40PM
@BigBadGooz
Of course every fucking world first has a bug in the encounter ITS A WORLD FIRST
if you know about programming, then you will also know that there are ALWAYS bugs, and sometimes its just better to let shit run its course and let minor bugs be found by the public. And the next guild to try Lich King WOULD have had bombs, and WOULD have used them regardless, especially if they had a shot at world first.
Blizzard should not have banned them, they should have just been put back, right in front of the Lich King, and given another try without bombs. In my opinion people just shouldn't get BANNED for a Glitch/Bug-Exploit, they should be given another try without the use of it, partly because it helps Blizzard fix the game by removing Bugs.
raspybunk Feb 4th 2010 10:14PM
I've been in groups where people make suggeestions that end up being purposeful glitching of encounters. Not only is it lame, but it makes it a heck of a lot less fun. Somehow botters for gear and money and glitchers, hackers, and other kinds of cheaters get sick of the game and make statements like in this guy's blog about how the game has become more easy, etc.
Meanwhile it's easy for them because they're cheating and or playing in botted pvp gear gemmed with bought gold, etc.
Play the game like a normal person, it's more fun. Teamwork and practice are fun, not glitching, farming, and exploiting.
Realise I do think this was a cheat, but am not saying these folks also do those other forms of cheating. Only that they all seem to devalue the game for everyone involved in a similar manner.
Jarvish Feb 4th 2010 10:45AM
Fail Blizz.
So what if lifebloom accidentally healed the throne? ZOMG DROODS USED LIFEBLOOM CHEATERZ11!!!1!!?
Shade Feb 4th 2010 11:01AM
I agree. Everyone that has played this game has exploited a glitch or bug at some point. How many people would have been banned for letting arthas pass by them in HoR? If blizz decided to do so.
ZMES_Matt Feb 4th 2010 11:13AM
There's quite a huge difference between your example and what happened.
A druid healer is going to use lifebloom because it is a staple in their healing mechanics; they would be using the ability regardless of whether it was broken or not.
Saronite Bombs are NOT something any raider is going to start dropping during a raid boss UNLESS it's doing something abnormal. They had to go out of their way and out of their normal rotations/stratgies in order to exploit a bug.
HUGE difference.
mella Feb 4th 2010 6:25PM
umm yes he would.. those bombs are part of ALL high end rogue dps cycles... Learn to know what your talking about before you say something stupid.
Aggrajag Feb 4th 2010 11:21AM
But according to Ensidia their rogues all use the Saronite Bombs as a standard part of their rotation & always have done. Consequently everytime they tried this encounter the same thing happened and they did not know it was broken or a bug.
If this is true I do think the suspension is a bit harsh.
Having said that, in reply to the reply by Knob above, Muqq has indeed made a bit of a fool of himself - if nothing more so than because I've never even heard of him so perhaps he's not *that* important in relation to WoW.
Neirin Feb 4th 2010 11:23AM
Actually, engineers that use saronite bombs/sapper charges are extremely common, particularly for rogues. Bombs aren't on the GCD, do not reset swing timers, and are instant cast, so using a bomb whenever it's off cd will give you ~22 dps, which is quite a bit to extreme min/maxers like Ensidia. Rogues also like them because it's an attack to use while pooling energy.
It's not a core mechanic like LB (though resto druids that use LB as anything but a buff for Nourish are few and far between), but it's still a legitimate part of high-end raiding.
Descender|LE Feb 4th 2010 11:24AM
ZMES, in their defense, Saronite Bombs are off the GCD. I'm an Engineer as a Paladin tank, so I'll throw my bombs and my Pyro Rockets into my regular 96969 rotation just to mix it up. So there are SOME raiders who drop Saronite bombs. But being the tank, my job can sometimes get a little boring... >_>
Genoce Feb 4th 2010 11:26AM
"Saronite Bombs are NOT something any raider is going to start dropping during a raid boss UNLESS it's doing something abnormal. They had to go out of their way and out of their normal rotations/stratgies in order to exploit a bug."
I am using Saronite Bombs in between my other spells (they aren't on global cd) when fighting a tough boss just to get that 0.2% more dmg done. If Saronite Bombs would cause a bug like that and I were not aware of what's causing the bug, of course I would keep using the bombs, as I would do on other bosses also.
So... They really did not need to "go out of their way and out of their normal rotations/strategies" here, they just played normally and it bugged. It is really lame to see anyone getting banned for a bug like that, it was just Blizzard's fault to let that bug through. At maximum Ensidia should've got their items/achis removed and ICC25 reseted with only Arthas alive, because they did kill it with easier gameplay than it was planned to be, but they should get another try and no ban. Imo.
Daedalus Feb 4th 2010 11:37AM
While I totally accept that Saronite bombs can be part of a normal rotation, (I'm an engineer, and I use them myself) the problem for Ensidia is that to exploit this bug, they had to be throwing the bombs at the edges of the platform.
It's hard to argue that you were using them for increased DPS when you're throwing them at empty space.
ZMES_Matt Feb 4th 2010 11:43AM
That's really weird, cause my warrior is an engineer, and every time I've ever used a saronite bomb it shows me a cast bar of something along the lines for .5 seconds or less. It's not much, but for any melee class it's going to stop auto-attacks which are a major staple in melee DPS...unless this happens to be an exception to the rule or something...
BigBadGooz Feb 4th 2010 11:45AM
Sure about that shade? I've yet to do a exploit in the 5 years of endgame I've done.
Brad Powers Feb 4th 2010 11:48AM
Wrong, Matt. Saronite bombs are a regular part of any raiding rogue-engineer. Of course, most non-rogues wouldn't know that.
Not to say Ensidia doesn't deserve a ban. I don't have any idea about that.