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2-04-2010 @ 10:47AM
Blizz went too far. Banning Ensidia for something that was clearly a fault on their own end? All the top notch raiding rogues use saronite bombs as part of their rotation to put out more dps. They didn't exploit it intentionally, they did what they regularly did. And then Blizz punishes them for their own lack of bug testing.
2-04-2010 @ 11:06AM
I agree 100%. They approached this fight the same way they do every fight- all good engineers use saronite bombs in their DPS rotation. The fact that this ability seems to have been forgotten by Blizzard during the testing phase doesn't make Ensidia cheaters.Blizz, you guys have a great product and are doing a bang up job, but if you're going to punish people for benefiting from bugs they couldn't possibly know about (since this was never PTRd), it makes you look like a surly bully. Or like a dungeon master in D&D who played against the players, instead of trying to create a story for them. Don't be that guy.
2-04-2010 @ 11:14AM
Totally agree. Blizz isn't able to test for the fail of commonplace game mechanic? Then punishes players for their oversight? Well done, nice job.I don't even buy the argument that Ensidia should have "known" they were exploiting a bug. Why wouldn't you just sit back and say, "wow, these Saronite Bomb thingys sure are effective!" It is not the players job to look at something like that and say gee whiz, this sure looks like it is a problem. We should stop immediately and report it. That would be the job of the Blizzard testers. Who get PAID. Not the job of the players. Who have to PAY.Blizzard is wrong to ban them, simple as that.
2-04-2010 @ 11:31AM
The problem wasn't using the bombs to up their dps.The PROBLEM was that the bombs caused the platform to reconstruct. I'm willing to bet this was something Ensidia noticed and thus they did what they could to make sure the platform did reconstruct in order to make the encounter easier. I call BS on saying they didn't realize this was happening as anyone who has read up on the encounter knows a key part is that the platform is destructing.They're not some tragic victim for getting a 3 day ban for intentionally exploiting to get world first bragging rights.
2-04-2010 @ 12:21PM
The problem here is their vapid HYPOCRISY. I actually agree that it wasn't an exploit either. But that it has not be their position when other guilds beat them to world firsts. Now, amazingly, it's not fair *just because it happened to them*.That's what's wrong with this picture.
2-04-2010 @ 11:47AM
I agree with AnomHow were they meant to know that using Saronite Bombs were an "exploit"Its Blizzard's fault for making it possible in the first place. I think they should just overturn the ban and restore the achievements/gear taken from them.
2-04-2010 @ 12:01PM
Jardal blizz repeatedly and on many occasions said we have spent thousands of hours making an epic encounter to wrath of the lich king, if they tested that encounter for just an extra 1/1000 hour this whole thing could have been avoided.In addition in a 25man raid there are so many things going on that no one can say for sure 'this is what's causing the bug' especially when everyone is focused on raid tactics with the limited '15 or less' number of attempts to get it right, maybe it was the warlocks lifetapping? maybe it was the warriors thunderclap maybe if you stand in a special spot the encounter bugs (FL in ulduar for example).And as they said in 10 man the bug didn't happen and if there were rogues with them on 10 man using saronite bombs which did not bug the encounter how can they know it's their fault on 25man?Booo blizz!
2-04-2010 @ 12:17PM
I don't think Ensidia knew what was causing the platform to rebuild. How could they? It's not like the combat texts would tell them, and they were probably too busy trying to, y'know, kill the Lich King.They had never been there before. They a bug and they took it, probably thought it happens to everyone. Certainly they were much too concerned with getting a world first to verify if other guilds were experiencing the glitch. Much like the Martin Fury scandal, the "correct" approach would have been to stop high-end raiding and contact a GM. Blizzard still has the right to ban anyone, for anything. I don't agree with it, but still I don't like the banning. Blizzard had another option, they could have reset the battle, taken away the loot and the Achievements and told Ensidia to do it again. But right this time.And for all the haters that might say this isn't as big as Martin Fury, if another guild gets the world-first, Ensidia will probably wish they were perma-banned.
2-04-2010 @ 12:39PM
Oh God, never post while on Nyquil.
2-04-2010 @ 4:47PM
2 big problems with the ensidia apologists here:1) Using saronite bombs for DPS =/= using saronite bombs on an area without enemies2) Collusion. If there was discussion over what was happening, and a decision to use the bombs on the platform as a strategy than any claim of innocence is totally void.
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