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2-04-2010 @ 10:47AM
I'm with Ensidia on this one. It does seem like they never could figure out what caused the exploit, so they just pushed on. They would have gotten world first even without, that's pretty obvious.
2-04-2010 @ 10:57AM
That's not the point at all.If I had no idea what was causing my car to not brake all the way, and I run over someone accidentally, I'm still held accountable for running that person over. It's not the car's fault. It's mine.If Ensidia wants to look like the victim here, that's all fine and dandy. But in the end, if you used an exploit, you used an exploit. You either didn't know how it worked or you knew and used it anyway...but you still used it and you should still be given proper punishment.And now we get into the argument on whether Blizzard was being too strict on it or too lenient. That's really Blizzard's call. It's their game, not ours.
2-04-2010 @ 11:01AM
@myself:Also, just in case Muqq himself is actually NOT trying to make Ensidia the victims here and it's all a ploy to out-troll us Trolls, that statement can go for anyone that tries to defend them seriously.=P
2-04-2010 @ 11:12AM
I don't know, but I think intent is actually the difference between murder and manslaughter in US law. If they accidentally created a situation where every time you hearth, you gained 1 gold, how would you feel if you got a ban for hearthing?
2-04-2010 @ 11:24AM
There are two situations that could be possible here. Either:Ensidia knew of the exploit and continued through the encounter using the exploit.Or:Ensidia had no knowledge of the exploit and, instead of stopping, continued on with the encounter.The problem is, Blizzard has no reason to believe anything Ensidia claims. Unlike the justice system, it isn't "innocent until proven guilty".
2-04-2010 @ 11:27AM
@Falcon6In this issue, the problem is: what is an exploit and what is a feature? How can we tell them apart? How can you know you are using an exploit the first time you do it, without previous warning? Quite possibly, the developers didn't know this "exploit" could happen. It's not our job to know if a certain mechanic is an exploit or a feature. It's the game owners job.Honestly, how are you supposed to know that you are not meant to use a certain item that is completely legit in a certain encounter? It's a completely legit game mechanic.But when the developers realize an encounter has a decreased difficulty than they expected because players are using regular mechanics they didn't anticipate, it's their call to disable it. It's their call to remove even the achievements and the loot.But it's completely unfair to ban them, or stigmatize them as cheaters.
2-04-2010 @ 11:38AM
@HaroWhen the floor begins to collapse then suddenly pops back into position... what do you think happened? Must be a feature.
2-04-2010 @ 11:49AM
Which kind of cuts to the heart of the matter: Blizzard isn't going to take a step like this lightly. Banning one of the most famous guilds for 3 days? Rescinding their rewards and titles? Blizzard doesn't want that kind of press.However, thanks to server logs, Blizzard basically has it in their power to examine every moment of the fight, every cast, every line of guild chat, every whisper, etc. I have to believe that if they took this step, it was because they had some pretty damning evidence against Ensidia.As to Ensidia not knowing what was going on, it just doesn't fly. In order to get all these world firsts, in order to clear things with the speed they do, they have to have an amazing amount of situational awareness, and a lot of skill at learning the intricacies of new fights. They don't win through dumb luck, and to claim it was dumb luck that let them use this exploit seems disingenous.
2-04-2010 @ 1:11PM
Exactly, they should be happy it's just a 3 day ban. Not really a big deal. Like everyone else in his position, I think the WoWimportant guy who ranted and "quit" will be back once he realizes he's not so important anywhere else.
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