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All of the latest Mists of Pandaria newsParagon scores world-first legitimate 25-man Lich King kill
by Michael Sacco 
Feb 4th 2010 at 7:10PM
Paragon, on the other hand, appears to have completed the encounter in an exploit-free manner and, according to MMO-Champion's Boubouille, did it on their first try. Congratulations go out to Paragon on their clean kill. Now let's see some of those heroic achievements!
Filed under: News items, Raiding, Wrath of the Lich King, Achievements
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
Joseph Feb 4th 2010 7:13PM
Good for them. Ensida should be taking notes.
Nazgûl Feb 4th 2010 7:44PM
People are sick of Ensidia. They've been accused of it before and got off, so many are seeing this banning as "justice" and are tired of Blizzard's apparent overlooking of the rules for their top guilds.
I, for one, am happy for Paragon, mostly because the US gets the world first legit kill. Grats you guys!
Nazgûl Feb 4th 2010 7:46PM
Oops. Misspoke. This is the European Paragon... well still. Grats to them!
Nazgûl Feb 4th 2010 7:50PM
Oh, looks like the comment mine was a response to got deleted. If some kind mod would delete my comments I'd be appreciative, they serve no purpose now.
catharsis80 Feb 4th 2010 8:04PM
Ensidia has posted evidence that they have behaved properly. Kungen has also posted an official statement. Unfortunately, people simply read what they want to read. They had ONE rogue using Saronite Bombs in the encounter, which he ALWAYS does on every boss encounter, and they even have proof of that, as does Blizzard. Plus, instead of Blizzard hotfixing it during their attempts (Blizzard was watching live), which they have done before on other encounters in the past, they let them continue with the fight, win, THEN slap them with a ban the next morning.
Ensidia still is the world first to me. If Blizzard expects a guild to have ONE of their dps'ers change his everyday rotation because of THEIR bug, that is a complete betrayal and a slap in the face to the entire guild.
If you downrate me, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about first.
catharsis80 Feb 4th 2010 8:20PM
Glad to see you all know what the hell you're talking about, and have proof of their "dubious" motives.
catharsis80 Feb 4th 2010 8:46PM
Still waiting for that proof, downraters.
Ratskinmahoney Feb 4th 2010 8:52PM
@Catharsis. Based on the evidence I've seen, I'm not convinced that Ensidia's exploit was especially cynical or deliberate. I agree that they probably got a bit unlucky, but it's a case of 'sh1t happens'. However, an exploit is an exploit, deliberate or not, and though the ban may have been undeserved so was a world first. Gz to Paragon, and forget about legitimacy; they were the first guild to get the kill in the manner that it was intended to be done, and that deserves some recognition.
catharsis80 Feb 4th 2010 8:54PM
That is what I am saying precisely. It is F'ed up of Blizz to do that with no further communication to ANYONE in the guild (at least according to them, which is all we have to go on). That being said, it IS awesome that Paragon got it, and first try as well.
Nathan Feb 4th 2010 9:08PM
I think it is unfair that Ensidia go the ban and didn't get another fair shot at getting the world first. As it has been shown, the individual has always used those as part of his rotation and several high end raiding guilds do the same. If Blizzard believes that it's incorrect and diminished the encounter, they did the right thing by hotfixing it but the wrong thing by punishing the guild when they were using the same dps techniques they always employ.
Either way, congrats on Paragon for the achievement. It's still very impressive, whether it's first, second, or top 10 for that matter. Great job all.
Tony Romo Feb 4th 2010 9:10PM
If Blizz was watching the whole time, they should have stopped it and live hotfixed it. Ensidia will always have the World First Lich King kill in my mind whether people like it or not. Why should they have to pay for something Blizz didn't even care to test in GM Mode when they had the chance. They leave it up to the players to find the glitches, and then slap them with bans when they find them, whether they wanted to or not. Muqq had full right to go apesh*t about this, because it's usually Ensidia that's been better than everyone else, and would get the world first, but something wasn't kosher about the kill and everyone says they cheat.
If you were that rogue, wouldn't you like to know that your saronite bombs were a part of a bugged fight Blizz only cared to half-ass enough for lore nerds? I wouldn't. And I'm pretty sure that he/she would have taken them out of the rotation had they known. Tell me that you wouldn't feel betrayed by Blizzard if this happened to you, and I'll tell you that you either A) don't even play the game, or B) don't deserve to play the game and should go back to BetaQuest or RuneScape.
Tony Romo Feb 4th 2010 9:13PM
But grats to Paragon for a one hit kill. That's impressive no matter who you are, and deserves recognition.
jason.reagan Feb 4th 2010 9:34PM
It wasnt a one shot, they ran though all the attempts on their alts before setting foot in their on their mains so they could get it
PeeWee Feb 4th 2010 9:46PM
http://www.ensidia.com/Ekyu/blog/4079/
Ekyu admits they realized it was a bug, and they decided to go an anyway.
"Along those tries we realized something was actually wrong with the floor respawning. At least it wasn't the same as in 10man for those who did it. We didn't actually know what was causing it and we actually had one (short due to fucks up on Winter thingie) try without it. [...]
Now for this kill, indeed apparently it wasn't a mechanic of the fight that this floor respawns [...]
Now some will say that seeing this bug we should have stopped and wait for an hotfix before proceeding for a kill. But would anyone actually have done that really ? Not only would you waste tries in the meantime, but what if another guild killed it before you. We are talking about a race against other people there after all. "
...that right there is the reason for the ban.
Mr. Tastix Feb 4th 2010 10:20PM
@catharsis80:
1. That "proof" isn't proof, I could just as easily fake that in Photoshop. There are no timestamps and no sources, I call bullshit (are you really surprised?).
2. We don't need to prove their use of exploits, one of their own members already admitted knowing about it:
http://www.ensidia.com/Ekyu/blog/4079/
Perhaps YOU should read a bit more then, eh?
DeathPaladin Feb 5th 2010 1:40AM
Two things that don't help Ensidia's case:
1. Raid members admitting to exploiting the fight, even though they insist they didn't know how they were doing it. That may be true, which leads us to point 2.
2. Refusal to post video of the fight. A video that shows them not intentionally exploiting the bug would pretty much kill the accusations of the haters. However, none has appeared. Some members even claimed they didn't make a video. Seriously, not recording a potential world first fight? That would be a world first.
Zalvi24 Feb 4th 2010 7:14PM
LEGIT, WOOT GRATS GUYS
Zalvi24 Feb 4th 2010 7:18PM
and btw, this is a guild that plays the game for FUN, unlike ensidia
jam Feb 4th 2010 7:25PM
Care to explain how Paragon is any less hardcore than Ensidia, Zalvi?
Unless you're inside their heads, I'm not sure how you can make such comments.
Hardcore or not, I'm sure players of both guilds are actually having fun playing the game.
Zalvi24 Feb 4th 2010 7:28PM
i never said that Paragon weren't hardcore, it just that ensidia have sponsors and Paragon is not