Drama Mamas: We're going on a guilt trip
Dodge the drama and become that player everyone wants in their group with the Drama Mamas. Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are real-life mamas and experienced WoW players -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your server. We're taking your questions at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
So all your friends play WoW, but do you play WoW with all your friends? Even though you have this interest in common, you may find that in-game your ideas of fun vary drastically. You may all start out with the same plan, but after a while, you may find that your friends have changed their minds. Or maybe you have. What do you do if time, drama, game changes, etc. make you want to explore a different part of the game than your friends are ready for? Do you stick it out and remain loyal? This week, WantingMore tells us the story of him and his circle of gamer friends.
Dear Drama Mamas, I am part of a bunch of friends that has been steady for about 15 years. Owing to the distances we live from each other, we use WoW as a medium to meet up and play together. But things have happened and as a result, I have embarked upon a rather large guilt trip.
The five of us rolled characters with the goal of running heroics together: 1 tank, 3 dps and 1 healer. That is a prot warrior (me), a hunter, a mage, a rogue and a druid. We formed a private guild and that is the way we like it. We all agreed that when the time is right, we take our little cadre of 5 players into 10 and 25 man raids. But one of our band (the druid healer) is consistently dragging his feet. We all hit level 59 after several months of play and the healer wanted to start doing PvP. We acquiesced as a group and got tired of sitting at 59 for so long while he was grinding PvP rep (this was during Burning Crusade, mind, so we all had 11 levels to go before we were in the realms of being heroic ready). Finally we managed to get all of us to 70 but this guy decided he wanted to roll a new healer. He deleted the druid and rolled a shammy.
We helped him level up. Finally, he gets to 70 and we show him the reps and dailies he needs to grind to be 'heroic ready'. Again, he has dragged his feet. We attempt to keep him motivated and through more luck than skill we manage to get him some good pieces that dropped. Up until a month ago, we were actually confident of just hitting random dungeons and running whatever we were given. So just as everything is starting to come together was when he announces to us that his account was hacked and all the gear he did have is gone.
We told him that he then needed to:
a) Get an authenticator to stop this happening again.
b) Talk to Blizzard about getting his stuff back.
Instead he decided he needed to go on holidays for a month. He did not do anything prior to leaving.
He returned about 4 days ago and after I pleaded with him to talk to Blizzard, he tells me that Blizzard managed to restore a helmet and an old cloak, but that's it. He is complaining that Blizzard has done him wrong. I cannot help but see it as all that work and effort gone, gone, gone. The shammy suggested to us that one of the dps drop out while he himself converts to dps (elemental), we PuG a healer (as we had resigned ourselves to doing prior whilst initially waiting for him) and run his character naked through the easier Heroics, in order to get some good drops again.
We helped some and gave him advice again on how else to gear up, but with no gold, legs or a weapon he has thrown up his hands and claimed that it's too hard. I expected him to quit, but here's the thing: He is now asking me to roll new character to accompany him whilst he levels another new healer (a priest this time). Two of the DPSers have University starting later in the year, so their time on will become markedly reduced until their courses conclude.
I have been offered a position in a raiding guild by another friend; it is on a different server and is a different faction. I'd like to go but it means that I will leave behind my long-time friends and the group dynamic, such as it is. The other guys don't want to move, so I am not going to force them.
I'm feeling quite guilty because I am honestly tired: I am tired of having to wait for the healer to get up to speed, whichever course he takes. I am also tired of having our weekly meetup devolving once again into a 5-man PuG. That is not why I play. I play because we are supposed to be playing together. Since level 70, we simply aren't, and as I read back over this I realize now that I am not a casual player anymore.
Is it time to give up trying to keep the team together and do my own thing, or stay loyal? And before you all tell me that 'raids are a different game and I may not like them' I have raided before and can vouch that with any group that is focused upon the raid's successful completion, raids are a lot of fun. Signed, WantingMore
Drama Mama Robin: WantingMore, I edited down your email, but I still left it pretty long to show the longstanding drama you've endured. It's like you've been through a bad romance without any chance of a bittersweet booty call down the road. Your healer friend seems rather high maintenance and self-absorbed. This is one thing in a significant other -- where there are other benefits. But as friends go, he doesn't have much to recommend him. How he thinks it's ok to control the fun of his four friends all this time is beyond me. I am angry on your behalf. For example, he deleted his druid. Deleted it. So he
couldn't play it with you while he was bringing up the shaman... to force you to wait for him and help him level his new healer. Grrrrrr.
Also, I am highly suspicious of this whole "hacked" thing. Sounds to me like he disenchanted/sold his gear and deleted his character. Blizzard will restore your character if you delete it, but they aren't going to get you your gear back unless you deleted it rather than disenchanting. Maybe. /suspicious
I just think you've spent too long on catering to this guy's whims. Your leisure time should be when you relax and enjoy yourself, in order to balance out with the stresses of the physical world. It is important to maintain that balance, rather than make WoW a job where Mr. Healerguy is your manager. So fly and be free! Be open to joining your long-time friends for a playdate every other week or so, but otherwise go raid. Be happy and guilt-free. You deserve it.
Drama Mama Lisa: I'm suspicious of your friend's motives, too -- but not for the same reasons as Robin. It sounds to me as if your friend is either bored with the game and wanting to weasel out of playing entirely, or he's intimidated by endgame game play and is trying to keep things on an easier, gentler scale. Either way, he doesn't sound too happy. I don't think I'd be too hard on him.
All feelings aside, your group agreed to an informal contract when you started playing: "The five of us rolled characters with the goal of running heroics together." Your friend has failed to keep up his end of the bargain. It's time to let him out of the deal. Let him do his thing and level up -- but there's no reason to feel obligated to go along for the ride.
When you talk to him about the situation, don't make your decision about him. Your decision is about you: "Awww, man, I'm just not up for another leveling grind. Let me hook you up with some bags and a few gold, though ... And give me a shout if you need help with an instance here or there." Then let him work out for himself whatever's really behind his issues, whether it's being hacked, feeling bored or suffering from confidence issues.
As for you, this leaves you free to run those heroics with your other friends or move on to another guild. Do so in good conscience. I hope that the next time we hear from you, it'll be because you're sharing the Random Acts of Uberness you've enjoyed while finally running your heroics!
Drama Buster of the Week
I don't care how excited you are about the new guild you are forming, it is rude to just slap a charter up in someone's face without asking first. This is particularly true if the person is at the AH, bank or mailbox because you kick them out of what they are doing. So please, send a polite whisper requesting help in forming your guild and wait for a positive reply before filling up the screen with your charter.
Remember, your mama wouldn't want to see your name on any drama. Play nice ... and when in doubt, ask the Drama Mamas at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
So all your friends play WoW, but do you play WoW with all your friends? Even though you have this interest in common, you may find that in-game your ideas of fun vary drastically. You may all start out with the same plan, but after a while, you may find that your friends have changed their minds. Or maybe you have. What do you do if time, drama, game changes, etc. make you want to explore a different part of the game than your friends are ready for? Do you stick it out and remain loyal? This week, WantingMore tells us the story of him and his circle of gamer friends.
Dear Drama Mamas, I am part of a bunch of friends that has been steady for about 15 years. Owing to the distances we live from each other, we use WoW as a medium to meet up and play together. But things have happened and as a result, I have embarked upon a rather large guilt trip.
The five of us rolled characters with the goal of running heroics together: 1 tank, 3 dps and 1 healer. That is a prot warrior (me), a hunter, a mage, a rogue and a druid. We formed a private guild and that is the way we like it. We all agreed that when the time is right, we take our little cadre of 5 players into 10 and 25 man raids. But one of our band (the druid healer) is consistently dragging his feet. We all hit level 59 after several months of play and the healer wanted to start doing PvP. We acquiesced as a group and got tired of sitting at 59 for so long while he was grinding PvP rep (this was during Burning Crusade, mind, so we all had 11 levels to go before we were in the realms of being heroic ready). Finally we managed to get all of us to 70 but this guy decided he wanted to roll a new healer. He deleted the druid and rolled a shammy.
We helped him level up. Finally, he gets to 70 and we show him the reps and dailies he needs to grind to be 'heroic ready'. Again, he has dragged his feet. We attempt to keep him motivated and through more luck than skill we manage to get him some good pieces that dropped. Up until a month ago, we were actually confident of just hitting random dungeons and running whatever we were given. So just as everything is starting to come together was when he announces to us that his account was hacked and all the gear he did have is gone.We told him that he then needed to:
a) Get an authenticator to stop this happening again.
b) Talk to Blizzard about getting his stuff back.
Instead he decided he needed to go on holidays for a month. He did not do anything prior to leaving.
He returned about 4 days ago and after I pleaded with him to talk to Blizzard, he tells me that Blizzard managed to restore a helmet and an old cloak, but that's it. He is complaining that Blizzard has done him wrong. I cannot help but see it as all that work and effort gone, gone, gone. The shammy suggested to us that one of the dps drop out while he himself converts to dps (elemental), we PuG a healer (as we had resigned ourselves to doing prior whilst initially waiting for him) and run his character naked through the easier Heroics, in order to get some good drops again.
We helped some and gave him advice again on how else to gear up, but with no gold, legs or a weapon he has thrown up his hands and claimed that it's too hard. I expected him to quit, but here's the thing: He is now asking me to roll new character to accompany him whilst he levels another new healer (a priest this time). Two of the DPSers have University starting later in the year, so their time on will become markedly reduced until their courses conclude.
I have been offered a position in a raiding guild by another friend; it is on a different server and is a different faction. I'd like to go but it means that I will leave behind my long-time friends and the group dynamic, such as it is. The other guys don't want to move, so I am not going to force them.
I'm feeling quite guilty because I am honestly tired: I am tired of having to wait for the healer to get up to speed, whichever course he takes. I am also tired of having our weekly meetup devolving once again into a 5-man PuG. That is not why I play. I play because we are supposed to be playing together. Since level 70, we simply aren't, and as I read back over this I realize now that I am not a casual player anymore.
Is it time to give up trying to keep the team together and do my own thing, or stay loyal? And before you all tell me that 'raids are a different game and I may not like them' I have raided before and can vouch that with any group that is focused upon the raid's successful completion, raids are a lot of fun. Signed, WantingMore
Drama Mama Robin: WantingMore, I edited down your email, but I still left it pretty long to show the longstanding drama you've endured. It's like you've been through a bad romance without any chance of a bittersweet booty call down the road. Your healer friend seems rather high maintenance and self-absorbed. This is one thing in a significant other -- where there are other benefits. But as friends go, he doesn't have much to recommend him. How he thinks it's ok to control the fun of his four friends all this time is beyond me. I am angry on your behalf. For example, he deleted his druid. Deleted it. So he
couldn't play it with you while he was bringing up the shaman... to force you to wait for him and help him level his new healer. Grrrrrr.Also, I am highly suspicious of this whole "hacked" thing. Sounds to me like he disenchanted/sold his gear and deleted his character. Blizzard will restore your character if you delete it, but they aren't going to get you your gear back unless you deleted it rather than disenchanting. Maybe. /suspicious
I just think you've spent too long on catering to this guy's whims. Your leisure time should be when you relax and enjoy yourself, in order to balance out with the stresses of the physical world. It is important to maintain that balance, rather than make WoW a job where Mr. Healerguy is your manager. So fly and be free! Be open to joining your long-time friends for a playdate every other week or so, but otherwise go raid. Be happy and guilt-free. You deserve it.
Drama Mama Lisa: I'm suspicious of your friend's motives, too -- but not for the same reasons as Robin. It sounds to me as if your friend is either bored with the game and wanting to weasel out of playing entirely, or he's intimidated by endgame game play and is trying to keep things on an easier, gentler scale. Either way, he doesn't sound too happy. I don't think I'd be too hard on him.
All feelings aside, your group agreed to an informal contract when you started playing: "The five of us rolled characters with the goal of running heroics together." Your friend has failed to keep up his end of the bargain. It's time to let him out of the deal. Let him do his thing and level up -- but there's no reason to feel obligated to go along for the ride.
When you talk to him about the situation, don't make your decision about him. Your decision is about you: "Awww, man, I'm just not up for another leveling grind. Let me hook you up with some bags and a few gold, though ... And give me a shout if you need help with an instance here or there." Then let him work out for himself whatever's really behind his issues, whether it's being hacked, feeling bored or suffering from confidence issues.
As for you, this leaves you free to run those heroics with your other friends or move on to another guild. Do so in good conscience. I hope that the next time we hear from you, it'll be because you're sharing the Random Acts of Uberness you've enjoyed while finally running your heroics!
Drama Buster of the Week
I don't care how excited you are about the new guild you are forming, it is rude to just slap a charter up in someone's face without asking first. This is particularly true if the person is at the AH, bank or mailbox because you kick them out of what they are doing. So please, send a polite whisper requesting help in forming your guild and wait for a positive reply before filling up the screen with your charter.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Knob Feb 5th 2010 9:08AM
I feel for this guy, but if he's worried that his actions in a game which everyone plays to unwind will cause his friends to get mad at him, then I don't think they're "friends" anyway. He should just do what is fun for him and inform the others of his intentions and the reasoning behind them. If they are not supportive, then I'm sorry but they are being selfish especially seeing everything that has happened.
Chris Feb 5th 2010 10:13AM
mama lisa: i think your on the money
I don't think 'wantingmore' is worried about his friends being mad... they are is friends. imo, he's just a good guy who does not want to let his friends down. he wants to hold up his end of the contract.
I'm no specialist but it seems that if he is feeling guilty its probably because he's considering their feelings more than his own. That's good in the short term, but in the long run... i'm not so sure. if you can't fulfill your own needs you'll never savor the fulfilling of others (unless of course you're a ninja, then it's just wrong). So I say it all comes down to is NEED or GREED. And I think you will all agree, that in his case he NEEDS
If he decides to leave he must remember that he is here because of his friends. By that I mean, if he's here enjoying the game today and wanting to explore more it's most likely because of all the good times he has had playing with his friends...
Bronwyn Feb 5th 2010 11:21AM
And if he really wants to keep on playing with the friends, he can invite them to follow or he can reroll a toon on that server and work up.
Briory Feb 5th 2010 9:12AM
Drop him like a rock and use LFG tool. Problem solved.
Chad Feb 5th 2010 9:40AM
If he still enjoys playing with his other 3 friends, why not try and find a guild on his current server and include them? Having good friends to group with is worth a lot more then the promise of a raiding guild on another server.
Umehte Feb 5th 2010 10:21AM
If a gamer cops an attitude...
Drop him like a rock
Drop him like a rock
Sol Feb 5th 2010 9:21AM
Amen for the drama buster. I can't count the times I've been running a scan with auctioneer or getting mail and had someone just throw up a charter in my face. Really fun when they do it multiple times.
Robin Torres Feb 5th 2010 9:59AM
This week's Drama Buster was prompted by someone interrupting my AH scan and then arguing with me when I declined. I /ignored him of course, but not before he spammed me three more times.
Tethra Feb 5th 2010 12:14PM
I second that "amen." I dread logging on to my unguilded bank alt sometimes because of that. I also hate when you're on a low-level unguilded toon and people randomly send you guild invites without asking. Or group invites. I remember questing on a low lvl alt in Ashenvale one time and this guy kept spamming me with group invites. (He wasn't a gold seller as far as I could tell.) I kept declining and I even whispered him to stop. I finally had to just put him on ignore.
Carson Feb 5th 2010 5:11PM
Amen again!
Ask my bank alt if he'll sign your charter? He'll do it and wish you good luck with the guild.
Stuff a charter in his face? You'll get a whisper telling you his standard fee is 10 gold.
Sehvekah Feb 5th 2010 8:22PM
I guess that's one more reason for me to love having made a bank guild all for my greedy little self.
Sarabande Feb 6th 2010 9:14AM
Agreed!!
Throwing a charter is very disruptive for the mentioned reasons. I used to get it all the time on my main before she first joined a guild in her 40s lvls. I now get it on my unguilded alt. :P So I'm glad she's been stationed in Dalaran since . . . I'd say mid 30. It doesn't seem to happen as often there.
But unannounced Guild Invites, Group Invites and Trade Window opening from strangers (MOST Of them wanting something from you, like help with quest if you're in a lowbie area, free gold, free lockbox opening, etc) are all very rude.
They are some of the (many, many) reasons I don't tend to linger too long in Stormwind. Or if I do, then I soon remember why I shouldn't. :P
deluded spider Feb 6th 2010 10:53AM
I had somebody yesterday whisper my level 13 mage and ask if I wanted to join their guild. Of course, these people can never use actual English, so the whisper said, "want join guild?" Sigh.
The funny thing is that toon is in a guild, and was wearing heirloom gear. I guess he just assumed a lowbie wouldn't be in a guild, and he must not have been near me to see the heirloom gear.
Usually, you know, being in a guild keeps you from getting asked that sort of thing. It was weird.
So I told him I was already in a guild and he never said anything else. So polite.
Swifteye Feb 5th 2010 9:42AM
I actually ran into a guy with the GALL to tell me I'd be "allowed" to leave once I signed his charter. I was trying to turn in quests and this guy was literally spamming me again within less than a full second of closing his charter. I asked him to please let me finish turning in my quests and he said "I'm not gonna stop until you sign, you may continuing playing when I get what I want".
*bristle*
I tried to out-stubborn the guy but he WOULD NOT GIVE UP; I finally had to log out just to get him off of me!
... uh... I don't really have anything to say about the actual topic, but dang, did you ever choose an unrelated drama-buster this week that's bound to hit a lot of nerves, heh.
Ozzard Feb 5th 2010 9:49AM
/ignore is your friend.
Angus Feb 5th 2010 11:01AM
When in doubt, open a trade window, type 1000G then go make a sammich, maybe watch some tv, whatever. Come back and see if they are still there hoping.
V Magius Feb 5th 2010 11:03AM
/report is also your friend. I'm sure "Do what I want or else" will work great in his defense.
Vandersveldt Feb 5th 2010 11:06AM
This happens to me all the time, and I promptly /s "money?"
Snuzzle Feb 5th 2010 12:35PM
I usually just let the charter/invite request sit there and go afk and make a sandwich or something. If they can inconvenience me, then they can eithe rcancel the charter or wait it out... but while they're waiting, they can't do anything else, either. When I come back, without fail, they've given up onto someone else. I then finish what I'm doing.
If he was being as persistent and as much of a jackaninny as this guy, I'd add a report in at the tail-end, too.
Sarnath Feb 5th 2010 9:44AM
Wow is a game. You play it for fun. If the friend isn't having fun playing (or at least playing the same way the other 4 want to) you can't force him to. On the other hand he can't stop the other 4 playing the way they want to. So it seems obvious the two groups should go their separate ways with good wishes to each other. I hope it doesn't affect their friendship outside of the game, and they should continue to do IRL social things together.