Officers' Quarters: Multiple personalities
Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.
Sharing accounts is an issue that I've talked about in the past (and I'm sure, in some people's opinions, beaten to death). Previously I've covered a few different situations. First there was a general question about the issue, which I answered back in 2007. Then there was an officer who shared his account with his girlfriend (which is still a terrible idea in my opinion). Finally, a guild leader's account was banned because he bought it from another player, and his guild's progression subsequently skidded to a halt. As if those examples weren't enough to convince you that account sharing can cause a lot of problems, here's another one:
Recently, my fellow guild officers and I decided to kick a member from our guild, which also caused three other members to leave. The person who we initially kicked from the guild had asked our guild leader for a BoE Epic item in the "Ask an Officer" tab of the bank. Our guild leader responded by saying he'd ask the officers about it before handing the axe out.
Not less than an hour later he asked another guild member to take it out of the guild bank for him. Being a good guild member, they asked the guild leader if it was okay. It was instantly perceived as being an attempt to ninja the item from the bank by trying to avoid the guild leader.
It becomes complicated here when two other new recruits come on asking why we kicked their friend from the guild. In short, they told us that there were five of them that were in the same house and all played WoW. Each had easy access to the other's account information. We were told that it was two separate people who had logged on asking for the axe.
Trying to quell things before they actually quit, I sent a letter to one of them as an officer saying how I appreciated how they approached the topic with care and did not just cause all hell to break loose in guild chat. On vent I pulled everyone down to the officer's channel [. . .] and there were mixed opinions.
With the new information that we received how one person did not know the other asked for the axe and how multiple people have all of their account information, feelings were mixed. Were we in the right for kicking this member? We couldn't have known it was two different people asking. Should we even consider letting them back in? Would it be safe not knowing who is actually taking a stack of materials out of the guild bank because they all have each other's account information?
I feel somewhat bad about the decision made, and I'd like to know whether it was right. I'm supposed to be one of the experienced officers in our guild but I'm just not sure about this topic.
With regards,
~T
First of all, I congratulate you and the members who were involved on keeping a level head here. That's all too rare these days.
Now let's talk about the conundrum. Here's the bottom line: Members who play the game this way put their officers in a no-win situation.
Your e-mail is a great examples of why it's a no-win when we don't know that members are sharing accounts. Misunderstandings like this can happen left and right.
Getting to know a player who shares accounts is a nightmare. You think you've got someone figured out, but then they act completely different one day. They come across as someone with multiple personalities.
Further, we could be holding someone accountable for someone else's bad behavior. If we ban a character from raids that's being played by someone else, the member who typically uses that toon is banned unfairly. Meanwhile, the person we banned could just hop on his or her own toon and raid with that character, completely unknown to the officers.
On the other hand, it's a no-win if we do know about an account-sharing situation. As I've said in previous columns, sharing accounts with anyone but one parent or one child is against the Terms of Use. When an officer is aware that their members are breaking the rules of the game, it puts that officer in an awkward situation. Some people aren't comfortable being complicit with that sort of thing.
Those members are also risking account bans. Your guild could be working hard gearing those characters up to take down the Lich King and then one day you find out that all those upgrades -- and the toons themselves -- are gone.
Not to mention, the day-to-day managing of those members becomes exceedingly difficult. You always have to ask who's playing the toon that you're interacting with. Different people will have different skill levels, and different strengths and weaknesses when it comes to handling raid content or PvP situations. So you have to learn who will be able to handle something with each shared character and who can't.
If you need to talk to a particular person, you have no way to know whether they're online. You have to ask, every single time. It's a huge hassle.
So, whether members tell their officers what they're doing or they don't tell the officers, they're creating problems for the guild. The problem is bad enough when there's only two people sharing one account. In this situation, there's five people sharing (I assume from the e-mail) four accounts! How could you ever keep track of who you're dealing with?
T, what you do at this point depends entirely on your comfort level with the situation (and that of your other officers). Knowing that all those people have access to the accounts, do you want to deal with that? I've told you the drawbacks. The only real advantage to you is when one person can't make a raid, but another can play the toon you need equally well. I won't gloss over that upside, but how often will it really come up?
You'll have to weigh the pros and cons. Are these people essential to your raiding progress? Will even more people gquit if they leave? Does their membership solve more problems than their account sharing may cause?
If you decide that it's worthwhile to deal with the account sharing, then go ahead and invite them back. They didn't try to cause trouble. And as far as I know they didn't break any rules specific to your guild. Just make sure all your officers know about the situation to avoid further confusion.
If you decide that it's not worth it, you can offer them a choice: Stop sharing accounts, or find another guild. If they agree to stop and you invite them back, you're risking that they might not stop -- they could just pretend that they're not sharing anymore. Sooner or later, however, you will find out. Then you'll have to gkick them for lying to you about it, and whatever gear they earned will be lost.
If it were me, I wouldn't want them in my guild. Their particular situation just has "bad news" written all over it.
/salute
Send Scott your guild-related questions, conundrums, ideas, and suggestions at scott@wow.com. You may find your question the subject of next week's Officers' Quarters!
Sharing accounts is an issue that I've talked about in the past (and I'm sure, in some people's opinions, beaten to death). Previously I've covered a few different situations. First there was a general question about the issue, which I answered back in 2007. Then there was an officer who shared his account with his girlfriend (which is still a terrible idea in my opinion). Finally, a guild leader's account was banned because he bought it from another player, and his guild's progression subsequently skidded to a halt. As if those examples weren't enough to convince you that account sharing can cause a lot of problems, here's another one:
Recently, my fellow guild officers and I decided to kick a member from our guild, which also caused three other members to leave. The person who we initially kicked from the guild had asked our guild leader for a BoE Epic item in the "Ask an Officer" tab of the bank. Our guild leader responded by saying he'd ask the officers about it before handing the axe out.
Not less than an hour later he asked another guild member to take it out of the guild bank for him. Being a good guild member, they asked the guild leader if it was okay. It was instantly perceived as being an attempt to ninja the item from the bank by trying to avoid the guild leader.
It becomes complicated here when two other new recruits come on asking why we kicked their friend from the guild. In short, they told us that there were five of them that were in the same house and all played WoW. Each had easy access to the other's account information. We were told that it was two separate people who had logged on asking for the axe.
Trying to quell things before they actually quit, I sent a letter to one of them as an officer saying how I appreciated how they approached the topic with care and did not just cause all hell to break loose in guild chat. On vent I pulled everyone down to the officer's channel [. . .] and there were mixed opinions.
With the new information that we received how one person did not know the other asked for the axe and how multiple people have all of their account information, feelings were mixed. Were we in the right for kicking this member? We couldn't have known it was two different people asking. Should we even consider letting them back in? Would it be safe not knowing who is actually taking a stack of materials out of the guild bank because they all have each other's account information?
I feel somewhat bad about the decision made, and I'd like to know whether it was right. I'm supposed to be one of the experienced officers in our guild but I'm just not sure about this topic.
With regards,
~T
First of all, I congratulate you and the members who were involved on keeping a level head here. That's all too rare these days.
Now let's talk about the conundrum. Here's the bottom line: Members who play the game this way put their officers in a no-win situation.
Your e-mail is a great examples of why it's a no-win when we don't know that members are sharing accounts. Misunderstandings like this can happen left and right.
Getting to know a player who shares accounts is a nightmare. You think you've got someone figured out, but then they act completely different one day. They come across as someone with multiple personalities.
Further, we could be holding someone accountable for someone else's bad behavior. If we ban a character from raids that's being played by someone else, the member who typically uses that toon is banned unfairly. Meanwhile, the person we banned could just hop on his or her own toon and raid with that character, completely unknown to the officers.
On the other hand, it's a no-win if we do know about an account-sharing situation. As I've said in previous columns, sharing accounts with anyone but one parent or one child is against the Terms of Use. When an officer is aware that their members are breaking the rules of the game, it puts that officer in an awkward situation. Some people aren't comfortable being complicit with that sort of thing.
Those members are also risking account bans. Your guild could be working hard gearing those characters up to take down the Lich King and then one day you find out that all those upgrades -- and the toons themselves -- are gone.
Not to mention, the day-to-day managing of those members becomes exceedingly difficult. You always have to ask who's playing the toon that you're interacting with. Different people will have different skill levels, and different strengths and weaknesses when it comes to handling raid content or PvP situations. So you have to learn who will be able to handle something with each shared character and who can't.
If you need to talk to a particular person, you have no way to know whether they're online. You have to ask, every single time. It's a huge hassle.
So, whether members tell their officers what they're doing or they don't tell the officers, they're creating problems for the guild. The problem is bad enough when there's only two people sharing one account. In this situation, there's five people sharing (I assume from the e-mail) four accounts! How could you ever keep track of who you're dealing with?
T, what you do at this point depends entirely on your comfort level with the situation (and that of your other officers). Knowing that all those people have access to the accounts, do you want to deal with that? I've told you the drawbacks. The only real advantage to you is when one person can't make a raid, but another can play the toon you need equally well. I won't gloss over that upside, but how often will it really come up?
You'll have to weigh the pros and cons. Are these people essential to your raiding progress? Will even more people gquit if they leave? Does their membership solve more problems than their account sharing may cause?
If you decide that it's worthwhile to deal with the account sharing, then go ahead and invite them back. They didn't try to cause trouble. And as far as I know they didn't break any rules specific to your guild. Just make sure all your officers know about the situation to avoid further confusion.
If you decide that it's not worth it, you can offer them a choice: Stop sharing accounts, or find another guild. If they agree to stop and you invite them back, you're risking that they might not stop -- they could just pretend that they're not sharing anymore. Sooner or later, however, you will find out. Then you'll have to gkick them for lying to you about it, and whatever gear they earned will be lost.
If it were me, I wouldn't want them in my guild. Their particular situation just has "bad news" written all over it.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Clockwork Feb 8th 2010 1:14PM
Sup useless comment.
In regards to the article, I agree that the decision made was the correct one. Account sharing is flat-out not a good thing for any guild, due to the ease with which it could end up being banned, thus putting any of those BoE items they asked for to total waste.
Of course, the immediate kicking after the second inquiry into the axe may have been a bit sudden and perhaps hasty, but in the end, I think the decision was definitely for the best. Guild rules shouldn't be circumvented, and accounts shouldn't be shared. That can only end poorly, really.
Bronwyn Feb 8th 2010 3:00PM
If you're uncomfortable as a guild with having people account share, then I think in the end the kick was probably the best thing. This group may not be a good fit for your guild, and your guild may not be a good fit for them.
However, I think the original reason for kicking the person was kind of stupid, especially since there is no indication that anyone asked him or her about it and tried to get clarification. I mean, really. Even if it HAD been the same person, maybe they didn't realize it was bad manners to do that? Maybe they though the original answer to their question meant "of course, but a bit later." When you just go and kick someone out because you perceive them to be doing something disingenuous, that IS unfair. The correct action in this situation would have been to ask them about it, instead of coming to a conclusion as officers and then just kicking the person with no explanation until someone asked.
Grom Feb 8th 2010 4:02PM
Hmm, well, when I was young I asked my dad if I could have a toy car, he said no... So I asked my mother if I could have it, my mom bought it for me.... when my dad saw that we were bought the toy car later... well... lets just say I couldn't sit down without pain for a bit... Then I learned that if I ask for something from one of a 'team' you souldn't ask another if you don't like the answer.
In this case, if you asked and the GM said he's thinking about it or looking into it... you shouldn't be asking someone else...
Eisengel Feb 8th 2010 4:16PM
@Grom
Yeah.. but that shouldn't be a kick though, it should be an automatic no on the request and no new requests for N weeks. I mean, your parents didn't disown you and throw you out on the street when your father saw the toy being bought. Unless the guild was pretty hardcore, I have to say, a kick seems like an overreaction to me just for that. The account sharing is pretty icky, especially when people can collude like that, but that is a separate issue.
Bronwyn Feb 8th 2010 9:16PM
@Grom: You doing that as a child does not automatically mean this person is doing it on purpose. And even if they DID, it still doesn't warrant a gkick.
If the guild doesn't want account sharing going on, that's one thing. But they didn't kick this person for that, and honestly, I think it's a pretty minor offense, and it sounds like someone went into an indignant rage and kicked them because they felt they didn't have enough respect for the guild authority.
DW Feb 8th 2010 9:22PM
Wow - accounts could be banned for account sharing... *sighs*
Let me refresh you on the ToS: Specifically this section:
BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU.
Looks like *every* account could be banned. Keep the BoE's then...
Topics like these crack me up - you have married couples who have access to each others "REAL" accounts (banking, investing, mortgage, etc) - and you get worked up about them sharing accounts... in your virtual world? Guilds are srs biznz.
I swear - half of the time I hear guild rules like this I wonder how long it will be before you need to provide a computer that ONLY accesses WoW through a leased direct line to Blizz headquarters, secured in a temp controlled room that requires retina scanning before entry. No browsers are allowed on the computer or email clients. Must not have any additional usb / firewire ports. Must have OS installed and locked by guild tech-guy.
Srsly. Iz game. U play. 4 Fun.
Try to balance appropriately.
-D
DW Feb 8th 2010 9:29PM
LOL - even more humor:
There are no BoE Epic Axes past level 70 (either 1H or 2H).
Drama over BC crap?
-D
Gothia Feb 9th 2010 8:35AM
This is a good reason for kicking that player. He intentionally went behind the Guild Leaders back after being told to wait on a decision by the guilds officers. This showed a disrespect of guild leadership and I frankly do not believe that the member in question did not know this was the wrong way to go about guild business. Even if he was sharing his account with a peer they why did the peer also ask about the same item to another guild officer? This is beyond belief and coincidence which is justification of a /gkick because the member is an untrustworthy liar. Wash your hands of all involved and know that sometimes culling the herd is better for all concerned in the long run.
nick Feb 8th 2010 1:16PM
The way my guild handles that complicated situation is by holding all members accountable. We are fine with shared accounts as long as people understand that the punishments are for the avatars not the people behind them. If XXdkloverXX ninjas the vault he will be banned from the guild no matter who is playing that avatar
Krabork Feb 8th 2010 1:17PM
If these five people don't see why this is an issue or can't understand why it would cause concern or confusion for officers and other members, then they shouldn't be allowed back. Regardless of what they do, the guild should have clear policies on whether or not sharing accounts is acceptable. My guild has a written rule/code that if you log on your friend / SO's account, you should always identify yourself in gchat and to anyone who whispers you as your real identity. You are generally discouraged from raiding on someone else's toon unless it is to fill some unfillable roster spot. You will ensure that others are informed of your identity and accept any and all responsibility should issues or confusion arise due to you not being on your own character.
musicchan Feb 8th 2010 5:07PM
This is exactly what my husband and I do when we log into each other's accounts for whatever reason. We don't even PLAY each other's characters. If either of us logs the other, it's usually for crafting or other reasons and we immediately let the guild know that "Oh hey, it's not -soandso-, it's me playing their character for a minute." I don't think sharing accounts with people on a regular basis is that safe to be honest but if you're going to do it, you have to let people know.
Wutaku Feb 8th 2010 1:27PM
Kick em all. Account sharers are a plague in WoW, and they open the door to all kinds of scamming, phishing, and general nuisance. And if you do allow them in, like Nick said: they're all accountable for anything the others do. If they don't like it, they should secure their accounts.
biglou Feb 8th 2010 1:29PM
I have several online WoW buddies who share accounts (mainly to cut gems when the other isnt on and the like). 1 actually leveled another from 70-80 (god knows why).
I simply do not understand why ANYONE would risk their account by gambling that their friend's computer is secure. My aforementioned online buddies dont even know each other except for WoW (All 3 are from different states and we all met about the same time).
Regardless, I agree with Nick that the avatar is responsible.....it doesnt really matter who is in the drivers seat.
Artitian Feb 8th 2010 1:31PM
Yeah, sharing accounts is just bad play all around. If you want to excel your guild you need to have a distinct, reliable play type (and to an extent, personality). Sharing your account does not achieve this. I've been in guilds where people have done this and they usually just get pushed back for someone else in the guild who can be trusted to be consistent. And this just happens with it's two people. I can't imagine the erratic play style of five people sharing an account.
Deadly. Off. Topic. Feb 8th 2010 1:31PM
It might be a good time to go over your rules for the guild and include a "people who share accounts, not welcome" policy or something like that. Well, maybe not as cold as that, but if it compromises your guild, you gotta set things in motion to protect it, you and your members.
curtisrutland Feb 9th 2010 1:22AM
I would advocate being exactly that cold.
In one of my previous guilds, we had an issue with someone who let his brother play his account. Every time he did something dumb or annoying, he claimed it was his brother playing. And when we could actually confirm that his brother was on, he would always say "no, I never did that, I didn't even play that day." So it was always a game of pointing fingers at each other, in an attempt to remove responsibility for any actions.
The worst was how we actually found out his brother played. It was in the middle of a raid (Naxx) that we noticed him doing stupid things like standing in fires, using Mocking Blow (he wasn't a tank) and generally being an idiot. We whispered him to ask him WTF is up with you, and he says oh this isn't so and so, I'm his brother. ಠ_ಠ
Multiple personalities just usually tends to lead to bad things. It's always the other person's fault, of course. Better to avoid the situation altogether if possible.
comedown Feb 8th 2010 1:45PM
Nice article.
In the guild I run, at the top of the application, we have stated "you must not share your account or computer" as one of the requirements for all new applicants - for just this reason.
Its important to remember that skill varies wildly from person to person - so even if the people are drama free, having the lesser skilled one show up to progression is awful for everyone.
Bottom line is that people should understand this before joining any sort of endgame guild. Officers have enough to worry about simply running a raid without adding one thoughtless individual's (or individuals') actions.
danawhitaker Feb 8th 2010 2:10PM
I can definitely see not allowing account sharing - no one in my guild does it. But you mean to tell me you actually dictate that people cannot share their *computer* with other people in their household? While I don't share my computer with anyone, the idea that I couldn't let my daughter or significant other use my computer if I wanted to be in that guild rubs me the wrong way. It seems like a more sensible approach would be to require an authenticator. That way, the non-account holder who might use the machine can't access the account easily anyway. After all, I paid to build the computer. Not all families have enough money (or a desire) to have separate computers for all family members.
comedown Feb 8th 2010 3:50PM
It only took a few cases of "Omg I have to leave the raid, Mom needs the computer" for us to come up with this policy. It's not meant so your roommate cant hop on to print out a paper - that would be rediculous - its so no one but the player is responsible for when he can or can't play.
Priestess Feb 8th 2010 2:29PM
@ Comedown
I LOL'd at "OMG mom needs the computer". I'd love to see a poll of how many have heard that in a raid/instance in this game! Or maybe we can just add it to the Dungeon Finder Bingo cards....