Scattered Shots: Grandpappy Frostheim on death knights

All I hear from kids these days is whining about death knights. Whining about how bad they are at tanking in their PUGs or how they can't even do 2k DPS. You hunters these days should be grateful for death knights. You don't know how good you got it, 'cause you have no sense of history!
Let me tell you, back in my day we didn't have death knights. If we saw an undead servant of the Lich King walking around, we shot it on sight. In those days a bullet to the skull was redemption, not the sissy politically correct version you got now. We had redemption piled taller than your head over in the Plaguelands, I can tell you that.
So take a seat, put away your new-fangled dungeon finders and take a break from your crazy barber shop haircuts and let Grandpappy Frostheim tell you how things were back in my day, and why you should be thankful for those death knights.
Back in my day, hunters were the most popular class by far, and for a good reason: we were the easiest to solo. Facerolling was very literally a viable option for hunters. As long as our pet got in there first, we didn't really need to do anything other than auto-shot.
And that's a good thing really, 'cause back then we didn't have a lot more choices. Sure, nowadays you got all yer fancy assortment of shots and misdirects and traps that you can place in the middle of combat. Never enough choices for you kids, eh? Back in my day we'd put up our sting, sit out a 3 second cast time Aimed Shot, maybe fire a Multi-Shot if we were feeling frisky, then sit there and auto-shot for a while until one of our shots came off cooldown 'cause we didn't have anything else.
Yeah I'm serious. You think that whole shoot 'n scoot thing is important to your DPS nowadays? Imagine what is was like when auto-shot was all we had for half of our rotation. You can be darned sure we weren't gonna let one of those precious auto-shots go to waste! Not like hunters these days I can tell you that.Not only were we easy to solo with, but we hunters were coolest class too, because we had guns and we had pets. Never mind that our pets were much harder to find, train, and level back then. They were also next to useless, not really much more than ornamental. Hunter pets in those days were almost as pointless as feral druids -- running up to their target and unleashing a flurry of gummy nips. Couldn't quite tell if they were attacking or just being friendly.
This is where the stigma of being a "huntard" first came in into parlance. Easy to play and cool are an irresistible lure to the worst of the WoW players, I'm afraid. In my day and yours kids, this one ain't gonna change.
Bitter priests and hybrids saw how easy hunters were to solo play and assumed that our class was that easy to play in the endgame too, which we certainly were not. Sure, sure, I just got done talking about how we spent half our combat auto-shooting, but you gotta understand that was a different time. You try chain-pulling Molten Core to your tank with no Misdirection or Deterrence or Disengage, just relying on perfect distance, timing, and speed, and on the tank to taunt it off before you got one-shot. You try that and then tell me we had it easy. You kids are the ones that got it easy!
But the stigma was worse than just being easy to solo. There was also the gold farmers.
Because hunters were so easy to solo, the gold farmers were all hunters. And this was back when they actually worked for their gold. Nowadays they just steal it, mostly by tricking gullible people into giving away their login info. Really, I sometimes wonder what they teach you kids while you're leveling these days. Back in my day we didn't need a special tip to tell us not to enter our login info on some website. Lemme give you some advice: no one is giving you a free mount, a free pet, a free prize of any sort. You didn't win any contest or lottery. They aren't giving you an alpha invite or a beta invite anymore than that Nigerian prince is really entrusting you with millions. Sheesh, kids.
It was really easy to identify the gold farmers in those days too. If you saw a level 60 hunter killing something, you'd check to see if he had the Spirit Bond buff -- you couldn't see someone's talents by inspecting back then after all. If he was BM, odds were very good that he was a farmer.
You BM hunters complain today that you aren't a great raiding spec in addition to being a great PVP spec and the best solo spec -- you don't know how good you got it. BM in my time was laughable, good for facerolling and maybe leveling. In fact the only thing more pathetic than a BM hunter was a survival hunter. Back in my day we only had one raiding spec and that was MM. You could tell a veteran MM hunter from his proudly displayed Trueshot Aura. That thing had a duration back then, and it was always falling off at the worst time. Cost a chunk of mana to put it up again too. Now it not only lasts forever, but it's free to boot.
Kids I tell ya -- you give and you give and they just want more and more.

Those gold farming BM hunters are also where the "all loot is hunter loot" stigma came from too. See, back then the only way you were going to get more than one or two epics was to raid -- and by raid, I mean 40-man raiding. Not like today where they outfit you in full epics for nothing just to make you feel good about yourselves. It's like schools that don't want to fail any kids 'cause it'll hurt their feelings. Let me tell you, in my day being outfitted in epics meant something. It was a testament to your skill and the quality of your guild. It was the kind of thing that had random people standing in awe, sending you tells about how awesome you are just as the sight of an /inspect. We didn't need your silly achievements -- we wore our achievements with us everywhere.
Even blues were tough to come by. I remember standing on the docks at Menethil and inspecting people to pass the time while waiting for another boat to sink and kill me in the ocean -- that's right, even simple ocean travel was dangerous back then. If you inspected someone and they were in all blues -- that was damned impressive! You knew that person had worked a long, long time to get that kind of gear!
But a lot more of the gear was BOE back then, those badass blues, which is where the BM gold farmers come in. Ninjaing loot was a much, much bigger deal in those days. And because hunters were easy to solo, the farmers were hunters. And they are the ones who would roll need on every BOE of any kind that dropped, so they could AH it for the gold.
So you see how it goes now, don't you? Easiest class to solo, and coolest class with nifty pets, so we get every mindless passenger of the short bus playing our class. Some legitimate complaints about the "huntard" mentality there, we had a heck of a lot of horrible players in our class. Add to that the gold farmers stealing loot left and right and our reputation is in the dirt. No amount of chain pulling or kiting or topping the meters would change anyone's mind. Not even combat trapping -- and this was an impressive skill when you couldn't place traps in combat ya know.
And then we get death knights.
By this time the gold farmers are stealing all their money rather than farming it, so those guys are gone. The problem children of our class now are all the idiots... and Blizzard presents them with a badass, overpowered, sexy class that is easier by far to solo with than even hunters. They're undead, they get to slaughter innocents in their intro quests, they have lots of abilities with the word "blood" in them. No siren's song could be so sweet.
Every huntard with pets on aggressive running with no aspect flew like moths to the unhallowed flame of the hero class. Goodbye Leggolass and hello Arthasss. After a few months we weren't hearing the word "huntard" nearly as often.
When you're in your dungeon finder PUG with death knight that's of less use than your pet, you remember what it was like back in my day. Remember that there's a real person behind the keys of that death knight, and if not for the death knight class, he would likely be sullying the good name of hunters.
So next time you see a death knight, don't complain. Instead thank him for taking on the burden of our unwashed and unwanted. And assure him that he won't have it to bear for long -- they're already moving on to the ret pallies after all.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 7)
Felix_NZ Feb 8th 2010 4:44PM
Not just scattered shots I say! Grandpappy should wax nostalgic about ALL the classes!
Boydboyd Feb 8th 2010 11:55AM
This whole article is full of WIN.
I too have noticed a decrease in the "huntard" stigma. While it's not gone completely, I see a lot of people busting on DK's, and I like it.
Back in our day, I'm sure people cringed at having to go into UBRS with a hunter. Who knew if they could kite Drakkisath? Probably not! Well I could kite him, and kite him well.
Nowadays, I see people *dropping* from random dungeons when they have a DK for a tank.
Great job, Frost!
Gnosh Feb 8th 2010 12:02PM
Oof. The first few times I did UBRS and was asked to kite him... talk about an adrenaline rush. My eyes almost popped out of my head when he walked over my Frost Trap and it said "Immune".
At the end of Vanilla, though, I was frequently running him all the way down to the Whelp room (Beast's room is for pansies).
SanmigLite Feb 8th 2010 11:58AM
my favorite parts of "growing up" a hunter were learning to chain trap effectively, as well as kite a mob correctly. nowadays, it's tragic that most players are judged by their gear score -- back then, hunters were judged by the disappearing art of efficiently managing the few tools available to us. good times!
Mr. Tastix Feb 8th 2010 11:58AM
Brilliant post, I must say. The only problem? Bit of a double negative really.
Now we know about all of your bad reputations! So remind me not to invite Death Knights AND Hunters to parties, can't have two sucky classes in my parties now, can I? :P
howellgerald Feb 8th 2010 11:58AM
I wish there was a "Like" button for this article. It was very funny!!!
Muskogean Feb 9th 2010 12:31PM
Non-huntard, non-gold-farmer. Main puller in MC. Also remember the bad old days of laying a freezing trap behind the party, distracting shot, then run to pull into the trap.
Most insulting time in the old days: having a gold-farming hunter on several occasions send me a /tell of "ni-hao".
Coldbear Feb 8th 2010 12:00PM
liked
Foxyknights Feb 8th 2010 12:00PM
LOL I really should be offended by that; got a death knight, but was laughing too hard to get annoyed.
Can't wait to see the next installment of his pearl of wisdom
Koalabear Feb 8th 2010 12:02PM
DK's will never be as uncommonly good looking as hunters, right Frost?
Clydtsdk-Rivendare Feb 8th 2010 12:02PM
You think you hunters had it bad? Back in my day, we couldn't CONTROL our death knights, they played themselves and barely did anything besides autoattacks! Now THOSE were dark times, whippersnapper.
Jerry Feb 8th 2010 12:03PM
The player's goals and Blizzard's goals will always be different. This is the true stigma of World Of Warcraft.
HeartStrikeMOAR Feb 8th 2010 12:16PM
I have to agree, as a unholy dps/blood tank Death Knight. I have to agree, we are the new "hunatrds" The death knight is an awesome DPS class, and an okay tanking class (we don't come close to paladins) in a random I do about 4.5k DPS without really trying. It's not a hard class to master, keep your diseases up (IT, PS), don't let your RP over flow, time the runes CDs, etc.
However with all the angsty appeal (i'm mean the class is called death knight!), and the rep we got from wrath's launch of us being OP. I see these fail knights in randoms doing less dps than the tank when they are in okay gear, not putting up their diseases, hell one time I ran with a guy that used death grip like as if it was apart of his rotation! /faceplam
JimElNino Feb 8th 2010 12:40PM
I started playing shortly before Wrath came out, so I missed most of this time, but everytime I see a 'huntard' in game I get annoyed at them for perpetuating the stereotype. It's up to us as a community to quash it once and for all.
Also, quite ironic that my only other 80 is a DK :-P
Linaa Feb 8th 2010 12:19PM
Pappy, tell us again about the Plaguelands!
/sits quietly
Filip83 Feb 8th 2010 4:32PM
I'm an insulted budding DK tank. There are noobs playing every class, get over it. No need to make yourself feel better by generalizing about a whole class.
Fara Feb 8th 2010 5:14PM
I think you missed the point, Filip. He's not bashing DKs or making generalizations that aren't true. For the most part, most DKs stink, suck, whatever. I claim my right as a DK to say this (frost dw tank). Did he ever say something like, oh, my e-peen just grew cuz I insulted DKs? Nope. Did he ever hint at something like that? Not at all. Did any part of his post sound anything like that? No again.
You, my friend, are a fine example of someone who doesn't get a joke. You do realize that said author dealt with the same crap DKs deal with currently? You probably didn't read past the first paragraph. Take your own advice, and get over it. You play a class that takes a lot of flak, but that doesn't mean you should listen to what people say about it anyways. I run plenty of Heroics which basically go > group forms, enter all party members, everyone sees the frost dw DK, qq about me being a DK, qq about me getting parry-hasted, and then drop group. I suppose they didn't read any of the posts debunking the parry hasting, but I don't expect them to. Still, sticking around for the first few pulls is generally a better way to gauge a tank than simply looking at their class. If you understand the tanking classes, /inspect works wonders for telling just how good the tank is.
No other classes have the sheer abundance of noobs that DKs do. Paladins are getting to be the same. I still see plenty of huntards. Notice that only three classes are generally associated with the ending tard? Huntards, retardins, and death tards. The three easiest to play classes/specs by far. And do I blame them? No, who doesn't like to simply auto-attack a mob to death.
HoboJoe Junkpan Feb 8th 2010 12:34PM
Preach it, Grandpappy!
I have to admit that even today I am somewhat of a "self-hating" hunter, since there were so many gawdawful players back in the day (but I loved the class, dammit, and didnt want to give up on it. I'll fail to mention that I ran with a wind serpent then, teehee...) It was hard not to have a bit of hunter shame, especially when strangers would automatically assume that you were a huntard before you even stepped in to the instance.
My run of choice is still one where I am the Beta fish of hunters - I do best in my own tank. ;)
Zhiva Feb 8th 2010 12:38PM
Now I cannot decide who is my favourite WoWInsider writer, Archmage Pants or Frostheim.
Arthemystia Feb 8th 2010 12:45PM
Every time I see one of his Grandpappy columns, I thank Thrall that I didn't start playing until the waning days of BC. MC and BWL sound more like torture than raiding.