Scattered Shots: Grandpappy Frostheim on death knights

All I hear from kids these days is whining about death knights. Whining about how bad they are at tanking in their PUGs or how they can't even do 2k DPS. You hunters these days should be grateful for death knights. You don't know how good you got it, 'cause you have no sense of history!
Let me tell you, back in my day we didn't have death knights. If we saw an undead servant of the Lich King walking around, we shot it on sight. In those days a bullet to the skull was redemption, not the sissy politically correct version you got now. We had redemption piled taller than your head over in the Plaguelands, I can tell you that.
So take a seat, put away your new-fangled dungeon finders and take a break from your crazy barber shop haircuts and let Grandpappy Frostheim tell you how things were back in my day, and why you should be thankful for those death knights.
Back in my day, hunters were the most popular class by far, and for a good reason: we were the easiest to solo. Facerolling was very literally a viable option for hunters. As long as our pet got in there first, we didn't really need to do anything other than auto-shot.
And that's a good thing really, 'cause back then we didn't have a lot more choices. Sure, nowadays you got all yer fancy assortment of shots and misdirects and traps that you can place in the middle of combat. Never enough choices for you kids, eh? Back in my day we'd put up our sting, sit out a 3 second cast time Aimed Shot, maybe fire a Multi-Shot if we were feeling frisky, then sit there and auto-shot for a while until one of our shots came off cooldown 'cause we didn't have anything else.
Yeah I'm serious. You think that whole shoot 'n scoot thing is important to your DPS nowadays? Imagine what is was like when auto-shot was all we had for half of our rotation. You can be darned sure we weren't gonna let one of those precious auto-shots go to waste! Not like hunters these days I can tell you that.Not only were we easy to solo with, but we hunters were coolest class too, because we had guns and we had pets. Never mind that our pets were much harder to find, train, and level back then. They were also next to useless, not really much more than ornamental. Hunter pets in those days were almost as pointless as feral druids -- running up to their target and unleashing a flurry of gummy nips. Couldn't quite tell if they were attacking or just being friendly.
This is where the stigma of being a "huntard" first came in into parlance. Easy to play and cool are an irresistible lure to the worst of the WoW players, I'm afraid. In my day and yours kids, this one ain't gonna change.
Bitter priests and hybrids saw how easy hunters were to solo play and assumed that our class was that easy to play in the endgame too, which we certainly were not. Sure, sure, I just got done talking about how we spent half our combat auto-shooting, but you gotta understand that was a different time. You try chain-pulling Molten Core to your tank with no Misdirection or Deterrence or Disengage, just relying on perfect distance, timing, and speed, and on the tank to taunt it off before you got one-shot. You try that and then tell me we had it easy. You kids are the ones that got it easy!
But the stigma was worse than just being easy to solo. There was also the gold farmers.
Because hunters were so easy to solo, the gold farmers were all hunters. And this was back when they actually worked for their gold. Nowadays they just steal it, mostly by tricking gullible people into giving away their login info. Really, I sometimes wonder what they teach you kids while you're leveling these days. Back in my day we didn't need a special tip to tell us not to enter our login info on some website. Lemme give you some advice: no one is giving you a free mount, a free pet, a free prize of any sort. You didn't win any contest or lottery. They aren't giving you an alpha invite or a beta invite anymore than that Nigerian prince is really entrusting you with millions. Sheesh, kids.
It was really easy to identify the gold farmers in those days too. If you saw a level 60 hunter killing something, you'd check to see if he had the Spirit Bond buff -- you couldn't see someone's talents by inspecting back then after all. If he was BM, odds were very good that he was a farmer.
You BM hunters complain today that you aren't a great raiding spec in addition to being a great PVP spec and the best solo spec -- you don't know how good you got it. BM in my time was laughable, good for facerolling and maybe leveling. In fact the only thing more pathetic than a BM hunter was a survival hunter. Back in my day we only had one raiding spec and that was MM. You could tell a veteran MM hunter from his proudly displayed Trueshot Aura. That thing had a duration back then, and it was always falling off at the worst time. Cost a chunk of mana to put it up again too. Now it not only lasts forever, but it's free to boot.
Kids I tell ya -- you give and you give and they just want more and more.

Those gold farming BM hunters are also where the "all loot is hunter loot" stigma came from too. See, back then the only way you were going to get more than one or two epics was to raid -- and by raid, I mean 40-man raiding. Not like today where they outfit you in full epics for nothing just to make you feel good about yourselves. It's like schools that don't want to fail any kids 'cause it'll hurt their feelings. Let me tell you, in my day being outfitted in epics meant something. It was a testament to your skill and the quality of your guild. It was the kind of thing that had random people standing in awe, sending you tells about how awesome you are just as the sight of an /inspect. We didn't need your silly achievements -- we wore our achievements with us everywhere.
Even blues were tough to come by. I remember standing on the docks at Menethil and inspecting people to pass the time while waiting for another boat to sink and kill me in the ocean -- that's right, even simple ocean travel was dangerous back then. If you inspected someone and they were in all blues -- that was damned impressive! You knew that person had worked a long, long time to get that kind of gear!
But a lot more of the gear was BOE back then, those badass blues, which is where the BM gold farmers come in. Ninjaing loot was a much, much bigger deal in those days. And because hunters were easy to solo, the farmers were hunters. And they are the ones who would roll need on every BOE of any kind that dropped, so they could AH it for the gold.
So you see how it goes now, don't you? Easiest class to solo, and coolest class with nifty pets, so we get every mindless passenger of the short bus playing our class. Some legitimate complaints about the "huntard" mentality there, we had a heck of a lot of horrible players in our class. Add to that the gold farmers stealing loot left and right and our reputation is in the dirt. No amount of chain pulling or kiting or topping the meters would change anyone's mind. Not even combat trapping -- and this was an impressive skill when you couldn't place traps in combat ya know.
And then we get death knights.
By this time the gold farmers are stealing all their money rather than farming it, so those guys are gone. The problem children of our class now are all the idiots... and Blizzard presents them with a badass, overpowered, sexy class that is easier by far to solo with than even hunters. They're undead, they get to slaughter innocents in their intro quests, they have lots of abilities with the word "blood" in them. No siren's song could be so sweet.
Every huntard with pets on aggressive running with no aspect flew like moths to the unhallowed flame of the hero class. Goodbye Leggolass and hello Arthasss. After a few months we weren't hearing the word "huntard" nearly as often.
When you're in your dungeon finder PUG with death knight that's of less use than your pet, you remember what it was like back in my day. Remember that there's a real person behind the keys of that death knight, and if not for the death knight class, he would likely be sullying the good name of hunters.
So next time you see a death knight, don't complain. Instead thank him for taking on the burden of our unwashed and unwanted. And assure him that he won't have it to bear for long -- they're already moving on to the ret pallies after all.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 7)
Bindura Feb 8th 2010 7:49PM
BWL is still torture. Guildies wanted the achieve and I want 2 piece T5 so I struck a deal. I'll help out with BWL if they helped out with my T5. Tried reading the strat for the first boss and failed whoever wrote it was on pot when he tried to pen down the strat. We found out about the instant wipe mechanics pretty quick. Boom wtf the room exploded? rofl The girls couldn't stop laughing in vent during the run back in.
Also what is up with the mobs that continually spawn after the encounter ends? That would be hell; wipe on the second boss, start zoning back in to aggro a room full of mobs and wipe again because the healers zoned in before the tanks.
We still don't know what one shotted half the raid on the second boss. The most painful experience though is baywatch running through the slow traps! Also which Blizz designer thought it was a good idea to instant break weapons? How the hell anybody got 40 people organised to do that mess I will never know. Anybody who ran BWL in vanilla you have my deepest respect.
Frostheim Feb 8th 2010 9:04PM
Heh, you should've tried BWL back in *my* day! That was back when FD worked differently -- if ANY mob resisted, then they all resisted. And on Razorgore you had 40 mobs in the room at once.
And in that fight, we hunters were the healers. They wanted to save a bunch of the healers for p2 ('cause they'd all die of healer aggro). So hunters were assigned to bandage anyone who was low on health, because in theory we could FD to dump that aggro, and if it failed, we could kite.
Underøath Feb 8th 2010 12:48PM
Love the post Frost! I remember the first time I ever saw a hunter in action. I was leveling my holy pally (mistake) in Westfall, when I heard a gunshot. Turned around, and saw a dwarf firing bullets at a carion bird, with his cat chomping at it too. At lvl 16, I thought he was pretty badass! I should have rolled a hunter right then =)
Bits Feb 8th 2010 12:49PM
another great.
GG FROST.
RetPallyJil Feb 8th 2010 1:01PM
I thought that article was great ^_^
Until the end >.>
RetPallyJil Feb 8th 2010 1:03PM
Try being a five-year ret paladin lol Talk about self-loathing. "Why am I compelled to grab this microwave-on-a-stick and crush skulls? Why can't I just be happy standing in back hitting my 2 key? Why? Why? Why?"
(Ten thousand skeletons attack)
"Oh that's why! JIL SMASH!"
Nobody Feb 8th 2010 1:06PM
Fight the stigma!
Wowcoholic Feb 8th 2010 1:09PM
I think most people know it, but nobody says it: every class has its share of baddies. The mage standing next to you in a raid with Frost Armor on, the Hunter's pet growling as the tank goes "HEY I'M OVER HERE!" Then sometimes you get a healer trying to spam their lesser heal/flash heal...and wondering why they cant keep up. "You just take so much damage!"...../sigh
Everyone sucks at somepoint. If you like a class, then stick with it, research it. Do it well. You will be doing yourself and everyone around you a huge favor...
But seeing as how most people that read this site probably aren't as fail as others, you should already be doing these things.
Draelan Feb 8th 2010 2:36PM
Yep. Bad players can masquerade as any class. Why, just last night I queued up for a random on my low level shammy alt. I signed up as Healer/DPS and, surprisingly enough, was pulled in as DPS for Gnomer. Our "healer" was a priest who spammed Lesser Heal and Flash Heal almost exclusively (Technically, they did use Renew a grand total of 4 times throughout the entire instance. =P) Not ONCE did they use Heal, which they should definitely have had by then. Oh, sure, they managed to keep the tank alive for the little pulls... (Given, he was constantly hovering below 75% health) but as soon as 3 or more mobs started pounding away on our tank, I had to pull his furry druid butt out of the fire, and bring him back from 5-10% health before it caused a wipe. I almost out-healed our "healer" in only 2-3 trash pulls in the middle of the instance... I suppose I should just be grateful that we didn't wipe anywhere in there. Now, if I could get the bag of goodies to stop giving me enhancement shammy gear, and start giving me caster gear...
Maxstoker Feb 8th 2010 2:39PM
As a player that has rolled both a hunter and a DK (plus a few more :), this is so correct. I wanted to produce more DPS as a hunter and learn how to perform in raids properly, so I researched and asked questions. I have become slightly more than competent.
Once I decided that I would like to Tank my DK it became apparent how tough it would be to be a good one. I researched and geared up and now am working to get closer to competent.
Frost, your columns are awesome and your guides are superb.
Keep it up.
Ringo Flinthammer Feb 8th 2010 4:24PM
Download RankWatch and go queue up for random dungeons. You will want to scream, especially at the guys who complain that the mod is spammy instead of, you know, fixing their spells between pulls.
You really will scream when it's the healer saying it.
Lemons Feb 8th 2010 1:28PM
I like how we're pretending that all the huntards existed only in the past. It gives me warm feelings. Too bad it's not true.
Just last night I was in Trial of the Champion and there was a hunter that did less damage than the healer...LESS DAMAGE THAN THE HEALER. I mean...how do you do that? Do you just forget to use your autoshot and keep your pet on passive the entire time? I would have to actively work to make my damage that low.
And before that there was a another hunter in my group for the new holiday boss, and despite the group leader's very clear instructions that everyone needs to have a summon he didn't have one. Of course he fails to mention that until after we had done the boss four times. Then he innocently explains that he didn't have one because he used his earlier. Yea, we get that seeing as YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.
And that's just a single day! One day, and every horrible player I meet is a hunter. Huntards still roam the earth my friends...they didn't die out...they just EVOLVED...or devolved...idk.
Adremelek Feb 8th 2010 1:58PM
Make something idiot proof and they'll just build a better idiot ;)
Besides, I think that most of the BAD hunters just think it's expected of them and want to live up to the standards that have been set for them... just like Garrosh wanting to be like his daddy.
Onuzim Feb 8th 2010 1:37PM
I started playing a year ago so I never was around for this. It explains why my friends were like yes we know a decent hunter now finally!!!
zymry Feb 8th 2010 1:40PM
Thanks frost. An uncommonly good article from an uncommonly good looking writer.
Myrdreon Feb 8th 2010 2:05PM
Nice read frost. Tough i think you've forgotten one 'good old days' part, the world bosses.
Especially kiting one to your local opposing city then dying to loose agro, only to have it act as your 'pet' cleaning out SW or IF with you /laughing behind it.
redraga Feb 8th 2010 2:19PM
Excellent article! Loved every word of it :). I did not know that there was no misdirect in Vanilla. Also, did boats really sink back then??
Killik Feb 8th 2010 3:23PM
Yeah, they used to bug out and vanish far from shore, dropping everybody into the ocean to die.
Catrie Feb 8th 2010 2:53PM
My hunter was my second level 60 and my highest PvP rank. I recently started leveling her again and now remember how much fun I had on her way back when. I still have the epic leggings from the quest. Trying to get Blood of Heroes without dying was always a challenge. Newbies don't even know what those are and probably hasn't been to EPL to even run across one.
I feel sorry for the newer players, in some ways. lol
Fatamorgana Feb 8th 2010 4:18PM
Yeeaaah......
I remember sticking to the road for fear of losing my life when I came across a pool of blood nead a small bridge.
No baddies around, I thought to myself. It's clickable? Hmm...I wonder what loot's inside.
..............
Shyte! Run away! Run away!
Save meh, kitty!
No! Black cat down!
Calling for backup! Crap! There's no one in EPL to aide.
I'm on my own.
Taking damage...need bandages.
/failed
Need health pots...out...
/failed
GOT ONE DOWN! I CAN DO THIS!
/darkness
.....
/moments later
Me in Wisp-Form: So....hey, there...again....spirit rezzer. I see you've been working out! Lookin' good! Me? Yeah...I've been doing a few reps at night. Um...you can't tell? Really? Oh, wait...yeah, I don't have any arms or legs when I'm dead. Come back when I get my body? No, I tried that before. You always dissappear when I come back.
/awkward silence
Me in Wisp-Form: So....if I leave and come back are you going to be here? You will?! Wait, you aren't standing me up again, are you?
/runs to find body and logs out dissappointed later.