Spiritual Guidance: On weapons, Nibelung, and the Lich King

I never got a chance to run Molten Core when Molten Core was relevant. I didn't participate in the redemption of the Blood Elves when such a thing was fashionable to do. But now, with an end-game ready level 80 shadow priest at my disposal, I'm ready to take down The Lich King once and for all.
I sure as heck haven't done it yet (due solely to the lack of corporate sponsorship, I assure you), and probably won't for a while. Still, there's been more than enough time to sit around and consider the ramifications when I eventually get around to it (you know, just been so busy this week, with my... stuff). Taking down Arthas is the big time, and I want to be rewarded commensurate with the effort I put in. I'll admit it -- I have an incredibly unrealistic expectation of getting an Inflatable Pink Arthas Balloon vanity pet trailing me wherever I go, or some trinket that summons miniature Arthases down to destroy a hopelessly outmatched Keristrasza in a way that elicits "ooohs" and "aaahs" from those newly minted level 80s thrown into the same random dungeon as I.
And after glancing at the Lich King's loot table, I have to say that I'm a little bit disappointed. I'm not saying the loot isn't good, but if we shadow priests are going to be getting little more than a staff for beating the legendary Lich King, it better be one hell of a damn special staff.
But it's not. Even the art is a bit underwhelming. And you almost have to scratch your head a little bit and wonder why -- why did Blizzard drop the ball on this one? It's far from perfect, but when you consider what went into the design and the (relative) originality of it, the coolest damn piece of loot in all of Icecrown Citadel is probably going to wind up being the Nibelung.
Should I run Icecrown Citadel enough times to earn one, I'll eventually get my grubby little Shadowform'd hands on Archus, Greatstaff of Antonidas or the Royal Scepter of Terenas II. (The Lich King also drops Invincible's Reins in heroic mode, which I guess is sorta cool, but the mount definitely pales in comparison to the sheer majesty of Ashes of Al'ar, at least in my book.) You don't have to be a genius to look at those stats and figure out we're talking best in slot here.
But, listen, Blizzard: I don't want to sound ungrateful here, I really don't. Those are two amazing weapons -- huge upgrades over what I have now, especially now that they're being modified. I'd love to get my hands on them. But there's not a heck of a lot about them that seems epic. After all, how great can that Greatstaff be if some vendor in Dalaran won't even give you 32 gold for it?
Now that we're at the end of this expansion, with the Lich King soon to be dead on hard mode, no less -- I dunno, maybe I'm just expecting more. Despite being the best the Lich King has to offer, those suckers are destined to be Abyss Crystals in about six months' time, just like all those momentarily epic Quel'Delars before them.
I'll feel terrible when I disenchant it, of course. I'll hold on to it a little longer than I should. After all, I still have my Hammer of Purified Flame, despite it being little more than an Abyss Crystal-in-waiting that I paid 14,000 gold to get. Sooner or later, though, I'll value the bank slot more than the nostalgia. After all, I've got some Cataclysm blues to enchant, thank you very much.
It's a sad state of affairs, but it doesn't have to be like this. Enter Nibelung, which will, in my heart, go down as the single greatest, must-have drop for shadow priests in Icecrown Citadel. It's not that it has great stats -- they're okay, but not mind blowing. It's the Val'kyr proc. Beat down on an enemy with a harmful spell, and you have a chance to summon a Val'kyr guardian for 30 seconds. It's a "cool factor" that other weapons in the game largely don't have, and with the right tweaks, it could be a truly epic piece of gear.
The damage from the Val'kyr proc isn't spectacular, but it does add to your DPS (unlike the vanity proc of the Abracadaver). That damage is factored into the weapon as a part of the "stats" -- instead of the staff being loaded with haste, you get a Val'kyr. It's pretty hard to put a pseduopower value on something like that, so a lot of shadow priests (not to mention warlocks and mages) have been wondering if the damn thing is worth it, DPS wise.
Blizzard has been really struggling to figure out the right balance for the staff. It's gone through a series of buffs, the most recent of which came this past weekend. Blue poster Bornakk, from the official World of Warcraft forums, had some good news for us true believers in the sheer awesomeness potential of the staff:
The first part is great -- they're making Nibelung more useful. It address the two biggest complaints shadow priests have about the staff: Val'kyr never seem to proc, and once they do, they're flicked off into the ether by the first AoE attack an enemy can fire off.We are currently in the process of applying two hotfix improvements to the Nibelung staff. The first change is that we are improving the chance for a val'kyr to proc from 1% to 2%. While this may not seem like a significant improvement, it will be notable and result in the val'kyr appearing more often.
The second change is that anytime a summoned val'kyr casts her smite spell, she will heal herself for 25% of her maximum health. This will help keep them alive when AoE damage is happening but not make them invincible as we still want them to feel like a summoned creature and not a special form of a DoT spell that has awesome art.
We understand the frustrations players have had with this weapon so far. We currently plan to make more proc weapons in the future and are committed to making this and other proc weapons fun and competitive items.
But those who have the staff will be the first to tell you that this latest in a series of rounds of buffs probably isn't going to be enough to put this staff on the level it should be. Ancedotal evidence puts the damage from Val'kyrs at somewhere around 1% of total DPS, which may still be a bit weak considering that the staff lacks haste or crit in lieu the proc. And even with the health regen, the Val'kyr still tend to die off a little too quick.
The second part of the comment is great, and exactly what I was hoping for -- that Blizzard is putting more weapons like this one into the game come Cataclysm. These procs wind up being a nightmare for theorycrafters to account for, but they're memorable. They're unique. They add an element of fun into the game that a buffed up version of Archus, Greatstaff of Antonidas will just never be able to do.
That's all I'm asking for. It would have been a terrific conclusion to Wrath to have the rewards for downing the Lich King feel as epic as the achievement -- and all that would haven taken is a hint of uniqueness. Give us a reason to go back there, week after week. Give me the achievement, give me the cinematic, and then give me a lasting souvenir of the encounter that I'll actually want to play with a year or two down the line.
Nibelung should have been buffed up further, and should have dropped off the Lich King. Or at the very least, something with a memorable proc just like it. I do appreciate making a fun weapon accessible to most raiders, but why not make the best weapons from the expansion just as fun? Why not give people who won't even start playing Warcraft until Cataclysm is released a reason to go back to Icecrown and experience content that Blizzard worked so hard to create?
Every time I've seen Nibelung drop in my 25-man groups, I've rolled for it. I know it's a downgrade, and I don't care. I'll use it anyway. I'll treasure it. And I know for sure that two years down the line, I won't even remember the name of that staff that dropped off the Lich King, but I will still have a Nibelung in the bank.
Let me put this out to all of you -- am I being unreasonable? Are you satisfied with getting a best-in-slot weapon as your reward for, essentially, beating the game? Do you all share this same love for the new tack Blizzard is taking in weapon and armor design? And what would you like to have seen drop from the mighty Arthas Menethil?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
pchnts8 Feb 10th 2010 6:22PM
I find it funny that in the picture for this article that the player is shown equipping the Maghari's Chieftains Staff, and not a Nibelung. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.
But as a person with this staff it really does have a cool factor, but the proccy nature of it means its destined as a trash or heroics staff. Consistency in progression is what wins in my book.
gffcom Feb 11th 2010 3:03AM
it can proc of reflective shield. Worth it as disc just for the BG entertainment
lemur Feb 10th 2010 6:36PM
Dead-on. I've been completely under-whelmed by the reported drop table of Arthas. I loved so many aspects of WotLK that to see it end with a comparative whimper is depressing. Stats are great and all, but I want some bling and some fanfare at the end of an expansion, dammit.
This, layered on top of the 'meh' I'm feeling towards Cataclysm makes me wonder if my WoW time is numbered...
YimmyZ Feb 10th 2010 6:38PM
I love proc weapons. Abracadaver, Dagger from Lady Death on 25, the Ony weapons. In my opinion that's what weapons should do. Have new and better special abilities that armor doesn't. I'd love to see a tanking weapon off Arthas that, as terrible as this sounds, summons a reclaimed soul from Frostmourne to take a thousand off my next hit or something. I don't care if they could do that with stats, I think a spirit appearing to immediately burst into a flash of light and save my healers some mana is really cool.
Anywhoo Feb 10th 2010 6:40PM
"and spreads diseases to not-so-innocent altar boys."....hmmmm..
Meadow Feb 11th 2010 10:35AM
Yeah, that line made me a bit uncomfortable.
Good article otherwise, but that intro kind of put a damper on it for me.
Ikarus Feb 11th 2010 3:36PM
ok, i wasn't the only one who caught them. I just going to assume that was an unfortunate choice of words. It probably says more about me for reading into it lol
Robert Feb 10th 2010 6:56PM
The weapons that drop from the Lich King are very epic in the lore department. Yeah, Nibelung is awesome and fun and totally gonna be my leveling weapon of choice for Cataclysm, but Terenas' staff? Holy crap!
thebvp Feb 10th 2010 7:03PM
If you think the impending gear reset will be bad, remember the good ol’ days of Vanilla.
Players spent months learning fights. Single bosses often took months, literally months to learn or gear up for. Maybe four pieces of loot dropped, much of which was class dependent, and you had a 1 in 40 chance of getting a piece.
And all if it was wiped out by Outland blues and greens within a few levels of hitting the place. I remember when the legendary mace that I had spent so much time and effort obtaining (let's not talk about the mats just to make it) was eclipsed by a... level 66 quest blue. Yeah, that was fun.
But it has happened multiple times in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future. It’s just how it is with MMOs. Get used to it.
lemur Feb 11th 2010 8:01AM
A fair point... I wish Blizzard would advance weaponcrafting to allow you to up the ilvl of your favorite weapons.
Clevins Feb 11th 2010 11:55AM
I think that's Fox's point. We know that the raw stats on the weapons will be overshadowed in the next expansion (even though that horribly breaks immersion... i mean, really? The Lich King's weapons are inferior to a quest reward?). That's why the cool factor should be there - to make the victory over the ultimate boss of an expansion memorable, not just something to be DEd.
And Fox? Stupid intro. Lose it.
jabreedlove Feb 11th 2010 12:09AM
I really think some of the better unique proc weapons should have been strong enough that they were obvious best in slot choices and should have dropped off the lich king.
Broken_toes Feb 10th 2010 7:25PM
I think the problem with the liche king loot table, is yes it isn't ... you know... just isn't that 'special'.
I'm at the stage on my combat rogue where anything that drops in 10 man, I just don't need. And we've been stuck on rotface for what seems like lvl 20.
I eventually get to arthas and all I have too look forward to is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=51800#. or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=51801 mean at this point I have the combat rogue 251 axe set, I also raid 25 man regular- nothing to serious such one a weekend the guild and another one joins forces, I'll eventually get something from that.
I enjoy playing combat, I couldn't really raise a meh over a dagger, but its got ArP on it- which is the stat I just want now. The fist weapon is just a fist weapon, I imagine enhance shammies want it more than I do.
Then if you get onto the 25 man table, its another bloody dagger with ArP, and a axe that looks exactly the same to the pair I have now.
Mean come on I'm killing the Liche king, I want to strut round dalaran with a weapon that people know, just by looking at me, that I have killed the liche king.
Something like the nibelung, fair enough the proc is fairly useless, its still cool- thats the sort of thing that Arthas should be dropping, not some re-used model in a different colour.
Docrev Feb 10th 2010 7:55PM
The daggers don't have ArPen anymore. The 10 man dagger is getting expertise, and the 25 man haste.
Broken_toes Feb 10th 2010 8:29PM
still... its daggers, I just don't like the cookie cutter-ass spec. Its my personal preference.
I wouldn't expect a loot table to reward every single class-spec combo, I'd be happy to have a axe/sword/mace with the exact same stats with what I'm running with now (thats a worse case scenario). What really bugs me is the re-using of models on what honestly should be something special.
The nibelung as an example, is something that stands out. Of course it would be silly to expect every weapon to be spawning cats and faeries, but it has something unique to it. But it drops from a fairly simple boss fight.
I have no idea about the model it uses, I can't really get excited about sticks. I don't get why something that 'special' hasn't been used as a Arthas drop. Again the stats and what not are not ideal, but it does something different- it stands out.
Thats all I'm really QQ'n about, a loot table that throws up nothing extraordinary looking apart from a low drop rate horse.
erignamatic Feb 10th 2010 7:35PM
Whenever I see the word Nibelung or the weapon, I have an urge to shout "DIVINE ASSAULT. NIBELUNG VALESTI"
I'm such a geek.
Sandslice Feb 10th 2010 8:27PM
And I get the urge to hum "Ride of the Valkyries." Perhaps I'm the geek.
sprout_daddy Feb 10th 2010 7:44PM
I'm glad to hear others say this. I find the Lich King's loot table to be wholly unimpressive. The stats are fine, but at some point it's not about the stats. I have a difficult time getting terribly excited by an addition 18 stamina or more armor penetration. What I want is something that's interesting - an excellent memento of the culmination of one chapter and beginning of another. Yet nearly everything in the loot tables looks so bland and benign. So uninspired. Maybe they will all look better in person, but I doubt any of them will inspire the way that Vanilla 60 weapons did, or even some of the BC final weapons out of Sunwell. It just feels like Blizzard used the excuse of Cataclysm and the muted pallets and designs of Northrend to stop trying on model design.
I know kills should be about the accomplishment, but at some point after the accomplishment, I stop caring so much about that and care more about the sword I'm carrying on my back all day long. And whether it's one from the Lich King or Quel'dalar, they all do little to inspire me, which is too bad.
Broken_toes Feb 10th 2010 8:31PM
Exactly!
deathpool1984 Feb 11th 2010 12:51PM
^This^
I would like a proc on melee hit and/or spellcast that turns me into a miniature Lich or Scourge of some form for 1 minute. That would be awesomesauce!