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2-20-2010 @ 11:09AM
This is a long over due Buff to the system, I love it
2-20-2010 @ 11:12AM
The 30 minute cooldown worries me, if you're stuck in a group with total morons what are you supposed to do then?
2-20-2010 @ 11:15AM
Wait 30 minutes.
2-20-2010 @ 11:19AM
@elstor. Wait for the 15min buff to wear off and then leave, you only get the deserter buff if you have that initial 15min "LFG" buff on.
2-20-2010 @ 11:21AM
@ elstorUnfortunately, you either have to stick it out, or find something to do for 30 mins. Maybe be helpful and less annoyed. Remember we all were noobs at some point. And if you can help someone be less of a noob, isn't that really for the best? I queued for a random and got this DK tank with 20k hp and maybe 4 pieces of defensive gear....and boy did I tell him about him self, but I did it in a nonthreatening way and tried to be as compassionate as possible, then everyone left group and I had no debuff...yay!
2-20-2010 @ 11:36AM
@WowcoholicLast night I joined a PUG for ToC Normal.Two players were from same guild (tank + healer) with ~4500 GSAfter the healer got some loot he wanted from the 2nd boss and started the 3rd boss, the healer started:"Lol, can't be arsed to heal"the tank started to kite the Black Knight and we dps started getting aggro and get killed."One down!" said the tank."One more!" said the healer.We wiped and kicked the 2 guys.So, in the next patch, we'll have to wait 15 more minutes to kick these kind of players that has as goal to ruin other players game?
2-20-2010 @ 11:43AM
@Wowcoholic: I think elstor's concern was more with noobs than with newbs; i.e., he was asking what happens if you get grouped with incompetent people who refuse to learn how to play (never mind "play better"; some people just refuse to learn how to play at all), rather than what happens if you get grouped with someone who is new to their role/their class/the instance/the game, but is still willing to learn. The latter is fine in my book; the former is what made me stop tanking heroics.
2-20-2010 @ 11:46AM
@sephirah:You seem to have misunderstood the change. The Dungeon CD is still 15 min; the 30 min debuff is for people who LEAVE. Presumably, you can still kick assholes 15 minutes into the run.
2-20-2010 @ 11:52AM
Heck, you can vote kick them sooner than that. Read again where Zarhym said there's no longer a vote kick cooldown.
2-20-2010 @ 11:58AM
@sephirahR-O-N-G wrong!You will have NO waiting to vote kick, reread the ptr notes! :D
2-20-2010 @ 12:00PM
.....ok, i swear i read that somewhere....wait, where am i?
2-20-2010 @ 1:48PM
Insta-votekick:Let the GearScore abuse commence! Not 5k? You're outta here! Less than 2k dps? You're gone, too!
2-20-2010 @ 1:54PM
My main concern (or question) is what is going to be done with the info Blizz gets with the vote kicks. Here is the example -Blizz gets 28 reports on Leetdps. Now, Leetdps is not a tank however he queued for randoms as a tank trying to beat the timer, and was hoping someone else would do it instead. Either that or the healer would just be able to keep him alive. Leet DPS was removed from groups for said reasons. Does Blizz then send Leetdps a strongly worded letter about exploiting the system? Suspend them? Penalty vary depending upon prior infractions? Or does it do nothing with the reports?Does it hold onto the reports for future LFD improvements?
2-20-2010 @ 2:02PM
I'm pretty sure the reports aren't going to be saved by Blizzard. They're just so that other people in your group know why a vote kick has been called.
2-20-2010 @ 3:42PM
@SamLowryIf anyone is less than 2k dps they're doing it horribly wrong. You can easily attain that level with nothing more than blues if you have the proper spec and rotation. Anyone who's less than that needs to learn to play and it's not my job to teach them. They can go to EJ and find out what their problem is.
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