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2-23-2010 @ 8:05AM
I regret all the times I forced myself to try raiding, for the only thing I got out of them was the realization that I am just not a raider, and yet I kept trying to fit into that mold, for that was the only thing "left" for me to do once I out-geared heroics. That is time I will never get back, time that only made me realize that the very things I found boring or frustrating were the bread and butter of raiding (meaning running raids repeatedly to gear up and facing progression bosses, respectively).
2-23-2010 @ 8:49AM
Same place I am at /sigh
2-23-2010 @ 9:36AM
That sounds like a very rigid old raiding structure. These days when pugs can raid 25m without difficulty, I'm unsure why you're not able to raid casually and enjoy the experience.
2-23-2010 @ 9:39AM
Out of interest, what difference do you see between raiding and heroics?
2-23-2010 @ 10:07AM
@Peagie: I know that 25 people can PUG raids these days, but when runs are successful, I never enjoy them more than once. The second time I ran a successful Naxx PuG, I was already a bit bored because I had done all of the encounters before, and that made me more irritable every time someone made even a little mistake. I can't imagine what it would be like to have run it the multiple times once necessary to gear up for Ulduar. As such, no matter whether a run is successful or not, I will likely not enjoy it.@Killik: Heroics are fast, so I can do them without a serious investment of time, which, considering how my schedule is, is a good thing. I just can't invest the hours it takes to beat a raid, which is why I have only been able to do single-encounter raids like Onyxia and Sartharion. Heroics also place less pressure on the player, since the encounters are simpler and there is less to keep track of, whereas I always feel more of that pressure in a raid setting, and while some people thrive on that pressure, I don't.
2-23-2010 @ 12:37PM
Gamer - I'm genuinely curious... what do you do in game? Because to me everything in WoW has an element of repetitiveness. Quests are*, heroics are, even PvP is to a degree. And all of the PvE content is, really. I get that raids fights are scripted so there' s more deja vu tthere, but if repetitiveness bored you... OH hold it, that's why I don't play as much anymore. Amusingly, except to raid. It's the people in the raid that bring me back. *There's no real difference between "bring me 20 Undamage Murloc Fins" at level 19 and "Bring me 20 Magantaur Feet" at 73).
2-23-2010 @ 1:41PM
@Clevins: Yes, all of the things in the game are repetitive, but some repetitivity is more bearable than other repetitivity. I find leveling, fishing, and doing dailies to be a relaxing form of repetition, and even heroics fit that description to an extent, but raiding (and PvP) is stressful. Given the choice between relaxing repetivity and stressful repetivity, I'd take the relaxing one any day.I actually mostly level alts now because dailies and heroics have become too repetitive for me to enjoy them any more. Leveling a character, however, is different, because that repetition is rewarded with new moves and talents that make the experience different as you go through it. Those new moves and talents break up the repetition, whereas dailies and heroics are the same thing every day without any progressive rewards. Sure I get money and gear, but those rewards don't tangibly change the game-play in any real way. Fishing isn't any less repetitive, but since I haven't gotten bored of it yet because I haven't done it nearly as much as I have done dailies and heroics, I still fish on my main. And that's why *I* don't play as much any more.
2-23-2010 @ 2:58PM
I am feeling that same pain Gamer. /pat /patRaiding isn't for everyone guys - you don't have to try and convince them it can be a pain in the hiney. :)
2-23-2010 @ 6:28PM
You're dead right about the time commitment. I guess I hadn't really thought about the pressure side of things, as I raid with a really nice, laid-back bunch of people who aren't looking for world firsts :)
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