Drama Mamas: It's time to leave now
The Drama Mamas are real-life mamas and experienced WoW players -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your server. How to handle that sticky situation? Ask the Drama Mamas at DramaMamas@wow.com.
It's time to leave now. You know it. We know it. Your guildmates probably know it, too. But you just can't bring yourself to open that door. Leaving a guild is so uncomfortable, so guilt-inducing, so potentially dramatastic, so ... awkward. Is it any wonder that the best way to leave (disguised as "whether" to leave) a guild is one of the most popular questions to hit the Drama Mamas mailbox every week?
Dear Drama Mamas: I have recently decided that it may be time for me to make a change from one guild to another; however, because I am an officer in my current guild, I feel rather guilty in doing so at this time. The raid times have become enough of an issue that they became a noticeable problem in real life, and I recently informed my guild that I would no longer be raiding with them.
This past weekend, I ran into a former co-worker of mine who happen to be on the same server. One of them informed me that their guild is looking for my class, and their raid times coincide almost perfectly with my preferred playing times. Their guild is a bit more progressed than my current guild, which is rather appealing, as is the prospect of getting together with some real life-friends, but I feel like if I join their guild, I am bailing on my current guild. Do you have any suggestions on how to break the news to my current guild (or officers) that I am thinking about applying to another guild, or any suggestions on how to make a transition go smoothly? Thanks, Anonymous
Dear Drama Mamas: I joined a guild when I hit around 72 or so and they advertised themselves to be a social guild with aims of becoming a raiding guild. After I hit 80 and geared up through heroics and emblems, I started to look into raiding. The guild just doesn't seem to raid at all. There maybe one or two members who are up for a raid, but other than that, it seems that the guild as a whole doesn't seem to want to raid together. Do you think I should bring it up and risk causing upset, or should I politely quit the guild and join another? I'd feel bad leaving as they are very good people who have given me invaluable advice and help. On the other hand, trying to get a PUG together for a raid and then watch them all drop after a wipe is infuriating. Thanks, John
Hey Drama Mamas: I usually don't have much drama in my WoW, which is how I like it, but recently I've had to leave a guild and wanted to know if I did the right thing when I did so (and if not, what I should have done). My friends and I joined a much larger guild together back in January, and we've been showing up for raids every time they're scheduled. However, at the beginning of this month, it was becoming just us three who were actually showing up for raids that everyone was signed up for. I like the people in this guild, but I joined specifically for the raiding, and we gave them weeks of this problem before we decided to quit the guild. We decided, since no one was on when we quit, to write a polite letter explaining the reasons why we quit the guild and that we had no sore feelings and would be willing to PUG with them if they ever do raid again. Is there anything else I could have/should have done here? I really don't want to leave anyone feeling hurt, but I also actually want to raid. Thanks for your time, Bryan
Dear Drama-Busting Mamas: I have reached a crossroads in my WoW career. I am the GM of a smallish social-oriented guild, where the main objective is to have fun and help others to level and get to 80. However, as it is with most games I play, I became attracted to the shinies that inevitably drop from the cutting-edge bosses. Recently, I started raiding with another guild on my server who have perfectly struck the balance between socialization and raiding. After raiding with them on my main for four weeks now, I got an invite to join their guild. After consulting with my officers in my guild, I transferred ownership to my recently 80 alt and joined the other guild.
Though I was essentially given my officer's blessing to make the move and do the leadership switch, I've been informed by a friend in the guild that there is a lot of unrest. My guild's constituency is rather unhappy, and the friend thinks it might break up altogether, mainly because my main character was such a central figure in the guild, not only as guild leader but as a person, too. Ever since I switched, I have been plagued by intermittent feelings of guilt, even though I'm having a good time not leading for once and my new guildmates are very helpful and friendly. I essentially have to choose between being with longtime friends and seeing the content. Please help! Sincerely, Vexed and Confused
Drama Mama Lisa: Whew! That was a lot of setup, but we wanted you to realize that anxiety over changing guilds is perfectly natural. You are not alone in agonizing over this decision. You can hear it in the voices of these readers -- they're ready to move on, they want to go, but they're afraid of the emotional fallout.
The good news: There's definitely a respectful, considerate way to make a guild move. The bad news: No matter what you do, those you leave behind may still become upset or even angry at your decision. The thing to remember is that you do deserve to play this game the way that you enjoy.
- Don't fuel the rumor mill. There's no breaking the news gently here, and there's no talking it over to get a feel for things if you're still merely considering a move. Do not open the "I've been thinking ..." door. You'll open up a rat's nest of gossip, political maneuvering and guilt-inducing begging you to stay. This is your decision; make it on your own, and go public only when you're ready to make it happen.
- Use official channels. Once you've decided a move is the right thing to do, go straight to your GM (guild master or guild leader) or a guild officer.
- Be brief but honest. Example: "I've decided to move to another guild, where I'll be playing with a good friend. I've really enjoyed my time here and appreciate all the help and guidance you've given me along the way. Thanks for having me!"
- If hard feelings erupt, don't burn bridges. "I have such limited time to play that I think I'd be a better fit with a guild on a more active raiding schedule" is better than "You lied to me about wanting to raid, your members suck Cracked Eggs and I can't wait to be outta here."
- Fall back on a letter. If you're simply too uncomfortable to speak with your GM or an officer in person, send an in-game note or private message on the guild forums.
- Be discreet. Timing your /gquit for a time of day when fewer members will be online to take notice helps minimize awkwardness.
- No matter what, make contact somewhere. If none of the leadership is online and you need to /gquit right then and there in order to start activities with your new guild, make your brief but honest statement (see above) in guildchat, and follow up with a note (in game or on your guild forums) to the GM.
Drama Mama Robin: I agree with everything Lisa has said here, so I will just give additional tips for drama reduction.- If you are an officer in your current guild This makes it a bit tougher, because you theoretically have some say in the direction and guidance of your guild. However, asking everyone in your current guild to change their schedule or goals just for you is, of course, the wrong thing to do here. The solution is simple. Along with Lisa's suggestions, make sure you have someone to recommend as a replacement. In fact, it is almost always a good idea, in work or in play, to groom a replacement so that you can be promoted or move on when the opportunity arises.
- If you are the guild leader Do not transfer leadership to your alt or to anyone else who is not active in your old guild. Vexed, it is no wonder your "constituents" are restless. Because you still have the leadership of the guild you no longer play with, it feels very much like a "let them eat cake" attitude. Your old guild needs a resident leader to thrive. Pick an active and capable successor, transfer leadership and move on with your fun.
- If you are in a leveling guild that never quite made it to being an endgame guild This is a story that is so common, it is more of the rule than the exception. Every day in Trade chat and in newbie zones, you hear guilds recruiting with almost the same sales pitch: "<Insert Guildname Here> looking for all levels. We are a helpful guild and have a guild bank and a tabard. We will raid once we get enough people to 80. PST" And every day people level up, get some five-mans in and move on to an endgame guild. These friendly leveling guilds rarely get enough people together who want to raid in the time frame they originally hoped for. Leave an alt or two in this guild and help them out when you have time, but don't give up raiding for them.
- This is your leisure time. You work hard for it (whether at work or school or taking care of the little ones at home), and you need it to balance out your life. As long as you aren't harming anyone else, you have the right to play the game as you want. Anyone who tells you that you need to think of their fun first is not your friend. On the other hand, there's no reason to be rude or judgmental before you go. Be concise, friendly, honest and move on. Save the long, emotional goodbyes -- no matter how sincere -- for the movies. They'll cause nothing but drama in Azeroth.
Poor behavior in the Dungeon Finder got put on notice this week. We'll be happy to see what comes of this monitoring once it makes it to the live realms. If you've been tempted to throw up your hands and go along with the group quitters and the vote kickers, take heart and hold your line. There's still hope for players who play well with others!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
galestrom Feb 26th 2010 5:13PM
Cripes I wish some folks in my guild would read this. We have a ton of awesome people, but we also have those select few who just aren't happy in our culture, and seem to always want to change it. I'm not quite comfortable with pulling the trigger and posting it to our boards, but I definitely dig the advice here.
If folks aren't satisfied, they should definitely do the guild a favor and move on. This one of those cases where the grass really is greener - for all involved.
(cutaia) Feb 26th 2010 5:15PM
As a guild leader of a guild that's been too unmotivated to properly recruit, I've recently lost a couple officers to a more raiding focused guild.
It sucks. It sucks a lot and when I do get the guild running a bit smoother, I'm gonna do my damnedest to get them back.
Bottom line, though...all they had to do was send me a friendly whisper explaining why they were about to /gquit. Was it upsetting and a little depressing for me? Hell yeah! Did I man up, move on and deal with it? Yup.
Another time, however, a real life friend of mine decided he was going to /gquit because we weren't "relaxed" enough of a guild (I know...ironic considering the other people's reasons for leaving. I just can't win. /cry). When he did it, though, he basically badmouthed us and called us dumb and retarded over some simple little policies. That, on the other hand, caused a bit of drama for awhile until he eventually apologized and told me some real life issues he'd been having to explain why he over-reacted.
Leaving a guild shouldn't be a drama as long as you're not a dick about it. If you are polite and explain your reasons in a rational way and the guild officers freak out on you...you don't wanna be around them anyway.
ConDust Feb 26th 2010 5:39PM
On a related note, how does one go about looking for a new guild? I've been with the same guild since Vanilla. It's had its ups and downs, but has always seemed to strike the right balance of casual/social and raiding for me. Over the last few months though, things have changed. Old friends have left, new player and I don't connect as well, my playtime schedule has shifted, etc. etc. and now I find myself being the sole non-raider on during my playtimes. How can I, in this day and age of the LFD tool, go looking for that same kind of fun-loving but able-to-be-serious guild? Forums? Trade Chat? Is there an eharmony.com for semi-serious raiders looking for guilds?
Jacque Feb 26th 2010 6:17PM
It all depends on what you are looking for. I know people who have had great luck on guild ranking sites, the forums, even twitter.
If you want a raiding guild, look on the progression websites. wowprogress states which guild is recruiting and gives options for what they are looking for.
Don't discount places like facebook or twitter to find a guild either.
icbleu Feb 26th 2010 7:14PM
The advent of the dungeon-finder tool and subsequent loss of the realm-only 5man groupings has made it extremely hard to find new friends and develop networks with others. If anyone has a solution to how they are now making new online connections PLEASE pass that along. thx
Priestess Feb 26th 2010 11:14PM
@ConDust
If you don't care which server you go to, look around on the web. The responses above are good ideas. If you want to stay on your server (due friends, style of server, whatever else) ask around. You'll probably get some jerks picking on you, but I have seen people offer honest and helpful information to people looking around for a guild. (Just do us all a favor and don't be the guy spamming trade about it every 5 seconds, that won't get you anywhere you want to be.) You could try to get in some raids, or form groups from your server, and ask people whose style and attitude you like about their guild or if they have any leads on one.
theVoid Feb 26th 2010 5:41PM
All of these are great but don't think its not fool proof.
A few years ago I was in a guild at the launch of BC. Big time for drama as raiders went forcibly to leveling and thrown into the new format for raids in BC.
Cliques developed in our guild and suddenly becasue me and my roomate were ahead of the pack to 70, we were Public Enemies. We quietly told the guild leaders, who i was close to ( i thought ) that we were leaving.
Alot of former guildies suddenly went ignore for the fact they couldn't stop harassing us even after we were gone.
No amount of respect and caution can outrun jerks who want to start drama.
Royal Feb 26th 2010 5:43PM
Remember it is your $15 each month. Don't let guilt trips win you over. You won't be happy...why should you pay to play a game that you don't enjoy? You pay to play so move on if you wish to see end game content. You're paying for it!
Pam Feb 26th 2010 5:54PM
@theVoid.....Yea, annoying is the people who left a few months before the guild broke up completely (the GL transferred servers), don't like where they are at, then come back to our server on a level 1 alt to find the guild is gone, then start bad-mouthing and taunting the now defunct guild in /2.
It was hard enough to be one of the last people to leave the guild, esp since we had rocked the top of the charts thru Naxx and Ulduar....but to have to listen to /2 teasing was disheartening...
Although it was a sad period in life, the passing of my first hard-core guild, I am happy with how it turned out.
Fierna Feb 26th 2010 5:56PM
I noticed some people use their exit to try to improve the guild they are leaving. For example "Because of the decisions made about loot distribution I just can't..."
This isn't the time for that. Just give (as sincerely as possible) a sort of "It has been a genuine pleasure playing with you all."
Explaining keeps the conversation going and leaves things unsettled in a way that "It's been fun, thank you" might not.
Prissa Feb 26th 2010 8:15PM
Simply put, you could be right. However think of it from the guild's point of view. Why is this person leaving? What did we do wrong? Do we need to address a problem we didn't know was occurring. Believe me, as an officer of my raiding guild I've come accross a number of different types of gquits and the ones that don't cite any reasons are the ones that cause the MOST drama. Aside from the officers being clueless, all the other members notice and start asking "Omg why did Bob leave??"
A feeling of uncertainty doesn't hold a raiding group together. If someone found a problem somewhere, how do we know if other people might feel the same way and be on the verge of leaving if we don't fix it?
Even if it is personal reasons that you'd rather not tell us, or something that isn't a problem that would effect others, we'd rather hear -something- and not just a gquit out of the blue.
Kuro Feb 26th 2010 6:00PM
What an timely topic for me....
I've been so unhappy in my guild since we went from a "casual guild that raids a lot" to a "serious guild", changed the loot system, and merged with another. We also hit a brick wall with 25 progression after Saurfang and have not had any serious attempts at anything past him for a month.
Last night I muted the wife of one of the officers (who came in with the merger) in vent and I was pretty close to putting that officer on /ignore, I just couldn't take em anymore.
Now, I just have to deal with the guilt. There are quite a few people who I really got along well with, who I'll miss... two raid leaders. One of em's begged me not to leave on a few occasions.
I'm still trying to decide what to do.... got several options. A guild who's doing very well on progression on our server wants me for my off-spec, but I'm not sure I'm a skilled enough healer to keep up through hardmodes. There's another guild who'd take me, but it would mean costly server transfer. (And I have many alts....) Or I could go play with 5 close online friends on another faction and server (Not so much raiding, but lots of fun... )
Melchior Feb 26th 2010 6:16PM
The smoothest way to transition is to say in guild chat: Dear Guild, GFY. Take all the loots and gold you can from your gbank and move on to the next guild happier and wealthier than ever before.
Deathknighty Feb 26th 2010 6:58PM
People who say things like that make me angry. Really angry.
Were you expecting people to agree with you?
Muse Feb 26th 2010 6:16PM
If you're willing to shell out some real world money for it, transferring your character to another account (if you have two) will un-guild and un-friend your character without creating a note in the log or automatically changing you on other people's friends lists. Depending on how tight-knitted the guild is, it might be days, if ever, before someone realises that someone is missing.
BigBadGooz Feb 26th 2010 6:51PM
my experience
Well everyone i believe i can no longer raid with you guys thanks for the fish
/gquit
Brouck Feb 26th 2010 7:21PM
I had to leave my first guild I joined and helped build, which was getting more hardcore into raiding than I was able to support. Also being a new dad, left me with significantly less time to raid, there were more than one occassion when I would have to AFK just before Curator to feed my son a bottle. As an officer, I saw my behavior as unacceptable. First I began declining raid invitations, then I discovered a new guild, of new parents, who liked to raid but would AFK for their kids. I knew it was the right place for me. I joined the officer chat and discussed the situation with my fellow officers. They then made the choice to make a guild announcement about me leaving, wishing me best of luck and keeping a slot for me if ever I should return. Now they're a top 20 guild on my server. I'm very proud of them and keep up on their conquests, while still having fun and keeping it casual with my new guild. It all boils down to very real emotions, being dealt with very respectfully.
BladedDingo Feb 26th 2010 8:00PM
As a GM of a casual raid guild on skywall we're doing well with ourselves but we're stuck on i think rotface. stalled progression and the casual raid if we can, oh well if we can't i understand people want to move onto greenr pastures. recently a great dps wantwd to leave and took the time to talk to me on vent and i gave him my blessings. i have alot of respect for those players and i'll gladly re-invite them should they e ver want to come 'home'.
AltairAntares Feb 26th 2010 10:28PM
Definitely agree on GM's that are leaving not to continue to GM on an alt. This happened to me when I was leveling, and it immediately caused caused the guild to fall into peices. He never told anyone anything, never was on, and it wasn't surprising to see a guild of 400 people to go to nothing in a couple weeks because of it. I certainly understand if the guild isn't for you, by all means go ahead and join a guild that does what you need, but don't try to do both things. I don't mind you keeping an alt, and staying friendly with everyone, but you arn't a GM anymore, no matter what the title says.
Ozzard Feb 27th 2010 5:51AM
There's a flip side to this: the *guild* should not cause drama when someone chooses to leave.
I GM a social guild. We bring players in, have a great experience alongside them, and then a number of them decide to try their hands / paws / hoofs at progression raiding. We don't do that, so they need to move.
My approach to this? I make it very clear: Go, with the guild's blessing. If you want to, tell us what the new guild's like so that we can make suggestions when someone else wants to move. Feel free to move your alts or keep them, it's *your* game and *your* play time, so do what you feel you want to do.
It's amazing how effective this is at reducing drama. We keep in touch with many/most of our ex-members, and when they tire of beating their heads against a Saronite wall in a progression guild it's amazing how many come back - still with no hard feelings.
GMing a social guild is like running a family - you *have* to let them spread their wings.