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2-28-2010 @ 1:00AM
WTB Edit buttonOh yeah and throw in some random Twilight Dragonflight baddies that are in there trying to kill______(insert appropriate faction-specific character here)_____.
2-28-2010 @ 1:37PM
I realize that the whole "MY FACTION IS BETTER THAN YOURS LOL" argument is over but I just want to make a point about Illidan. Whatever he's done he's always tried to do the "good" thing, his problem was he wanted to get the job done no matter the cost. Like killing lots of night elfs to try and kill the lich king by shattering the polar ice caps, but malfurion stopped him there. As for the not working with the alliance since war of the ancients, he actually helped malfurion and his night elfs fight through the undead to rescue tyrande. The reason he went "crazy broody imma stab you cos im awesome" style is because when arthas whooped his ass back to outland he thought he had won and thought himself to be unstoppable and didnt see anyone as a threat to him.
2-28-2010 @ 2:14PM
@seanisme: I like that idea, but I think they'd probably have you protecting Lothar as Alliance and Garona as Horde than killing them the other way around. After all, we know Lothar and Garona both survived, and they both played pivotal roles in the universe.@Possum: Wrynn's actions are the only ones that make sense from his point of view as head of state. If he was a random nobody, then he could possibly ignore these things. First off, I'd like to include Al's list above as excellent points, with only one modification. The Grimtotem are rogue tauren, and even the Horde flag as hostile to them. Also, while there is some killing of Alliance in Dustwallow, those are spies. You can't really send someone to spy on someone, then get mad when they're executed for espionage...Honestly though, this is all small time. The important part from Wrynn's point of view is that Garrosh is leading the war effort in Northrend, and that he might very likely depose Thrall in the near future. It certainly seemed to me that Garrosh had an excellent chance of winning that battle during Arthas' mini-offensive in the pre-patch (Sure, maybe we can partly blame Thrall for not upgrading his armor for 20 levels, but still...). Garrosh has openly appointed anti-human and pro-war followers throughout Northrend (Conquest Hold, Warlord Kreesha as an example). Garrosh has openly attempted to incite war both through personal remarks and through warlike action (I'm referencing the Broken Front specifically. He let his hatred of humans influence him to actually assisst the Lich King. True, he didn't make a direct pact or anything, but his actions certainly assisted Arthas indirectly). Most importantly, Garrosh's hatred, unlike Wrynn's, is totally baseless. Where the hell does this little emo punk get off anyway? He's been sitting on his ass in Nagrand crying his eyes out for ages. He doesn't even have a personal vendetta! His dad died fighting a pit lord to save their entire race from the exact same bloodlust he's falling under himself. Does anyone else not have a hard time believing Garrosh might follow in dear old dad's footsteps and go ahead and drink the Kool-aid?Now, looking at all of that, Wrynn is taking the only path he feels he can take as head of state. Destroy the orcs now before Garrosh has a chance to lead them against the Alliance. We know neither of them will succeed since we need a permanent stalemate in a world like this, but when you suspend your inside knowledge for a moment, Wrynn's actions make sense. Mind you, I'm rooting for Thrall in all of this. He's the only one with any sense at the moment, and hopefully Jaina can help influence Wrynn. Wrynn has at least shown his hatred isn't overpowering based on his actions at Deathbringer's Rise with Overlord Saurfang. Don't get me wrong, if Wrynn falls on a sword at some point, I won't be holding back tears, but if Garrosh dies in a fire, I'll hold a damn party.As a side note, regarding your comment on shamans being unable to heal Draenor, I'd only say we don't know if that's true. Sure, PC shamans don't have any spell like that, but our own characters are no measure of a classes true abilities. After watching Jaina and Sylvanas fight in the Frozen Halls, it's very apparent their abilities go far, far beyond ours. As such, Thrall's true shamanistic capabilities just might enable him to heal a planet. I'd be more inclined to believe that he simply can't afford the amount of time that would likely take rather than the power, he's already holding back war with everything he has, and without Jaina helping him he'd likely have already failed. Check that, he'd certainly have failed, since without Jaina they'd have fought until at least he or Wrynn died at the Wrathgate, which would definitely cause a war.
2-28-2010 @ 8:31PM
"Wrynn's actions are the only ones that make sense from his point of view as head of state."The fact that Wrynn thinks starting the Azerothian equivalent of world war 3 is a great idea at the same time that he is fighting three large threats to the entire planet (Blue Dragonflight, Titans/Yog and the Lich King) doesn't do a lot for my opinion of him. Especially since the people he is trying to start this fight with are his biggest allies against these threats. Wrynn also isn't privy to the information that you are. He doesn't know that Thrall is retiring he wasn't there to watch their fight. All he knows is that Garrosh is leading the War effort in Northrend. A position that Thrall never should have let him have but that's another discussion. Might he suspect that he could take over some day? Maybe. But starting a war over a conclusion you've leaped to is stupid.As for the Forsaken and their activities. They're smart, their cover story is that they're finding a cure to the plague or a weapon against the scourge. That story is probably a little suspect now after Wraith gate but the orcs are watching them now, they have their guards stationed all over undercity. Why is it an issue who the Forsaken are experimenting on when it's apparently not an issue for the alliance deathknights to be using sentient subjects? You can say that the alliance don't know about that because only deathknights are allowed in Acherus but as I said the forsaken aren't stupid. Do you think when anybody official from the Horde comes around they don't clean up first? You're confusing game mechanics with the lore. The forsaken are sneakier than that.
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