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2-27-2010 @ 10:09PM
What all of you are completely ignoring is that Wrynn's racist point of view is perfectly valid based on his experiences. How many of us have ever had our entire lives destroyed by an invading alien species? Even when he decided to try and hold a diplomatic meeting with Thrall, he ended up betrayed and a slave to the orcs. You can't even possibly begin to truly empathize with the situation, regardless of which side you take. You're attempting to suggest his motivations are wrong based on a 21st century interpretation based on our own civilization. It's the only way most people can analyze it, but it means you'll never be able to truly do so. Of course we know Wrynn's thinking is wrong, but it is also perfectly valid. I like to think I'm an open-minded person, but if a sentient alien species came and killed my entire family, destroyed my country, and then enslaved me for years, I have a hard time believing I'd be open to giving them a second chance.As far as your ridiculous arguments on both ends about things like traitors in Ragefire Chasm and Stormwind's Stockades, it's an MMORPG. If you actually do all the quests available on both sides of these issues, both these instances have been successfully taken care of. Of course there are still NPCs to kill in there, if the instance emptied out after the first group came along and killed it, no one would play the game anymore. From the lore perspective however, you've taken care of these problems. The ridiculous part is that both of you seem to be using a series of events for the opposite faction wherein you never partook in the quest chains or completely ignored the facts. Thrall's reluctance to enter RFC himself is detailed in the quest chain. Try reading the quests as you do them, there's a lot of information contained therein. It's not that Thrall wants the Council operating; Thrall wants the Council operating where he can see them. His hold on the Horde is less absolute than it could be, and he's doing his best to keep tabs on these subversive elements. Keep your friends close, your enemies closer as it were. The Stockade riots for most people were way back before we even had a true king, instead having Onyxia as a puppet master, and so obviously she didn't care about stabilizing things. If you want justification for new players, use the fact that the majority of the King's troops are fighting the Lich King in Northrend. The riots are bad, but they are contained, and so take less precedence to the threat that could destroy all life on Azeroth.As far as not believing Thrall doesn't have an interest in the welfare of his people, you've clearly only done the Wrathgate from one side. Anyone who can listen to Thrall's speech following the Wrathgate events and not believe he's been devastated is an idiot and a fool. He never uses the intelligence he gathers to prevent tragedies? What possible basis could you have for this accusation? Is Thrall supposed to be sending you a memo on all the affairs of state he deals with? It's a gigantic world and there are supposed to be things you assume go on behind the scenes.On to the demon blood. Yes, the demon blood was voluntarily drank, but that's only part of the story. Grom tells Thrall this in Warcraft III, stating specifically that the Orc Chieftains had willingly made the blood pact with Mannoroth due to a lust for power. What you're ignoring is that while the chieftains deserved everything they got, the majority of the orcs underneath them were screwed over, pure and simple. If your father, Ringo, were to make a willing pact with the devil, would you then turn around and say that you deserve any consequences as a result, even though you knew nothing about the pact at the time? I highly doubt it. While it is an extreme example, it is also an exact analogy. The heads of the clans doomed the entirety of the clans, and they had no say in the matter.I personally play Alliance almost exclusively. I have 4 Alliance 80s and a multitude of alts. My only Horde is a level 80 shaman that I created solely to experience the other side of the lore. Until you've done the same, you need to stop failing at arguing lore points. This game has no good or evil; the Horde and the Alliance are equally flawed. This is exactly how Blizzard intends it to be. You're supposed to pick your side and feel loyalty to it; of course, for those of us who've bothered to see both sides, there's a clear sense that both are as wrong as they are right.I'd really like to continue debunking your arguments point by point, but I'm certain this is likely an exercise in futility. You've both picked your sides and don't care that the other might have valid points. All I can hope is that others who read this realize that the above arguments are without merit.
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