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2-28-2010 @ 9:42PM
i wish you/ghostcrawler had touched more on the Lightwell aspect of holy. i know he said he was unhappy with it, but plans to revamp it would have been nice.I use LW in my guilds 10m's and tell my raiders if they are standing near it, then i consider their priority for heals generally lower than anyone not near it. Not that i wont heal them, just lower priority.But when im in a pugged 25 and drop LW, which is macro'd with "/y Lightwell is down, use it" i just get laughed at.Lightwell is a powerful heal, but one of the few (if only??) that requires the person who needs the heals to cooperate.
2-28-2010 @ 9:59PM
GC did touch on Lightwell in the thread, and it was the same unsatisfying response its been this whole expansion. "We want to do SOMETHING with it, we just don't know what."I'm a bit frustrated with it myself, because I've always loved the concept of it, but I sort of understand their logic. They want it to be unique, they don't want it to be stupid easy, but they don't know what exactly to do with it.When looking at the 4-set tier 10 bonus, vs the other healer 4-set bonuses, I feel like Blizzard is really intent on keeping a higher learning curve on priest healing. I think they are very cautiously stepping around what happened in vanilla and don't want to repeat that mistake, and because of that they are overcautious about making the priest class OP. A smart priest can really do SO much that too much could easily tip the scale.This all said Lightwell is already on my 'to do' list for topics I want to dedicate full articles to. Thanks =)
2-28-2010 @ 10:04PM
Well, to throw a dpser perspective on lightwell: we're expected to put out as much dps as we can and not stand in anything we don't have to, and lightwell causes problems with both of these thing. Finding, targeting, activating the lightwell takes precious seconds; and the place where it's set down often ends up becoming dangerous.To put out an extreme example, last week my guild 25man beat festergut with 8 seconds to spare before enrage. There's just no way that dps can spare time to get to the lightwell and it would be crazy to risk coming together when he's doing vile gas.Now, some fights are more lightwell friendly, but not many. Lightwell is really just another example of a clever Blizzard design that has just fallen on the wrong side of the way Bliz designs encounters these days.
2-28-2010 @ 11:03PM
@methuusi completely agree that lightwell is not a viable spell in all fights. infact most fights is near impossible to be useful. off the top of my head grobbulus like encounters would suck because you'd hit it one the way past, then wait for a full rotation around the room to hit it again.however i LOVE LIGHTWELL on any fight where the raid must collapse as a whole, or each person must run to constantly. you said festergut was a challenge here. and while its true that perhaps targeting the LW would have taken the time your dps'ers would've needed, its also true that using the LW as a collapse point for a side of the raid is a good idea, and will save a healer much aggrivation healing through the first spore of each phase (heavy raid healing phase).grats btw on downing it, my guild just got him on 10m
2-28-2010 @ 11:34PM
There is actually one class that is very easy to train to use lightwells; Warlocks. Whenever I drop a lightwell in our 10 mans, our resident warlock gleefully cheers for his "manawell". He cozies right up next to it and is on self service healing, allowing him to lifetap to his little heart's content. It shuts him up about asking for HoTs when he is low on mana, and I've got to say even ONE less person needing to be healed takes pressure off the healers. If you're trying to train your raid to use lightwells, start with the locks; they will be great evangelists for you, happily telling everyone how much lightwell rocks. Other people will start to experiment with clicking the shiny light too. I actually find the bigger problem is trying to get people who aren't damaged not to touch it; they seem to think it will give some kind of buff or something and like to click the shiny while at full health, thereby wasting charges.... "But it's shiny!" is the normal reply to chastisement.
3-01-2010 @ 12:04AM
@Zoena:Warlocks in my raid group actually want me to spec into Lightwell for that reason. I would do it too, but I can't reallocate the talent point for this yet. If you've got a suggestion for where I can move points around, lemme know! My spec (it's renew-centric): http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bVcbuZfvzcbMqqhrcuAo:mfN0Vz
3-01-2010 @ 12:17AM
I think the biggest problem is that you must target the lightwell. Healers can usually afford to target stuff( At least I can, I use all mouseover macros/clique) but DPS can't, as it means they must stop dpsing for a second.I'd say the way to make it "useful" is to make it sort of a stationary aoe heal.For example, Holy priest puts down Lightwell. Every 5 seconds, everybody in 15 yards gets a HoT for however much the normal one goes for. The hot has some sort of diminishing returns so ranged dps and healers don't just stand in that one area the entire fight, or perhaps it could work so that you can't get it twice in a row, or something.I think the best way to fix it is to make it something that you don't have to click on. This removes the voluntery aspect of it, Lightwells usage depends entirely on the people in your raid. If they want to use it, they will, if not, they won't. I know while leveling (I leveled 1-60 as holy), Lightwell was a spell I used a LOT. When soloing elites, or before a big pull, I'd throw down my Lightwell, mana up, then pull. I could usually focus all of my mana on dpsing (And by dpsing, I mean holy fire then smite spam), rather than healing. Which reminds me, I'd really love it if holy had some sort of DPS spec =(Maybe a disc/holy hybrid that puts out "viable" dps. REGARDLESS. Lightwell could be a priest staple spell. People look at druids and think "Hots" Shamans "Totems, reincarnate, Chain heal" Pallys "massive single target heals" and disc "Shields" but really, to your non-healing player, they won't really notice anything about holy priest heals. They aren't flashy like a shamans, or manuverable like a resto druid. CoH is kind of thier staple spell (Though I figure the spirit of redemption is more of thier icon) but I think if Lightwell was fixed right, it could be a good reason to have a priest in a raid.
3-01-2010 @ 1:46AM
@ avanthis is my current holy spechttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bVcbhZcxtcd0qiuhxuAo:0fNMVztook out your inner focus, the CD on it is too long for the usual raid healing, though it does come in a pinch for the sudden tank heal need.Also i find i've yet to cast Greater heal, and usually my renew/CoH/PoM spams are enough to raid heal so i dont use PoH. it just seems like a massive clunky heal. and my priest is smooth baby. So i dumped serendipity.Also didnt like your spell warding or inner focus. spell warding is dealers choice i suppose. but inner focus is more pvp oriented.
3-01-2010 @ 2:07AM
@avanHonestly? I'd drop your 2 points in Blessed Resilience and put them into Surge of Light and Lightwell (if you want to get it that badly). Blessed Resilience is only a 2% effect on your healing spells, so you won't notice.If you prefer, you can drop healing Focus, too. It's not been that useful since Ulduar, really, so the points can probab;y be better used elsewhere if you wanted to take a talent you wouldn't normally.
3-24-2010 @ 4:11PM
How about they make the Lightwell work like the lightwell in TrialofChampion 5man you know splashing raid healing from it one player get healed every tic for X tics .... that whould have made it AWSOME. now its just a laughter in 9/10 times i never even put it out.... and if i put it out its never used.
3-01-2010 @ 3:49AM
@JasonKiddThat would be called 'healing stream totem'.Lightwell doesn't work for two reasons.1.) It requires DPS to find/target it.2.) It reduces DPS output by using up time/clicks.I think an 'interesting' change to lightwell would be to make it like the 'frozen orbs' in VOA. Where instead of it being stationary and need to be clicked on, it wanders about the raid doing a small AoE heal, chasing whomever is currently lowest health. And I'd like priests to be able to do SOMETHING about poison.But then again, I want a pony. :-)
3-01-2010 @ 6:10AM
@ Candina@WHTHAT WOULD BE FREAKING SWEET...sorry got excited for a moment there...
3-01-2010 @ 7:06AM
There is a very simple way to make lightwell more effective in the current era of "Targeting something else then the boss? No way I am gonna do anything that would decrease my dps even by 0.0003%"Let the heal of the lightwell give people a 0.041 dps/haste/crit/fill-in-blank buff for 1.0034 seconds and people will scream L2PnOOb at any holy priest who dares to spec without lightwell.
3-01-2010 @ 1:05PM
well as for the lightwell have you ever watched the npc lightwell in 5 man TOC? why cant it be like that? it randomly tosses out a ball of light that heals someone in its area make the heals small enough or make them a renew so it wont be to OP'ed. there problem solved
4-04-2010 @ 10:25PM
Lightwell is the most useless spell ever.I hate it when priest bother to use it and expect their dpsers to quit whatever they're "supposed" to do to heal themselves on it. I mean hello, you're the damn healer, watching their health bar is ALL you have to do really. I play druid/pally/shammy heals all at max lvl and into raid content and I also play dpsers of the same level and I find Lightwell just plain retarded.A Dpser has 3 things to worry about, Not pulling aggro, getting the boss killed, stay out of the fire. Those alone are often too much for a third of the people out there and you'd expect them to go out of their way to also click on your silly lightwell? No just no.Its the one spell I've never understood since i started playing WoW years ago and i probably never will, but to me its a useless piece of junk.PS: I am leveling a priest right now since its the only class I couldn't bring myself to get to max lvl, ever. But I seriously doubt my view on the spell will change. As a healer, its your job to keep everyone else alive, you shouldn't be asking them to do it for you.
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