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3-01-2010 @ 5:39PM
"When existing gear changes, the main thing I'm worried about is the whole "spirit-for-healers-only" change. I don't know about you, but I have a lot of cloth gear with spirit on it. I'm assuming some of that cloth gear will almost have to stay healer-centric to accommodate priests. How will they pick what gear goes healer, and what gear goes DPS, especially when the last expansion homogenized that very same gear so completely?"Personally, i'm not too worried. I looked at my gear, and if we ignore tier gear (i really, really, really doubt mage tier gear will become "healer only"), I only have 1 piece of gear both with spirit and without hit. Assuming they aren't going to suddenly make healers want hit, that means at most i'll be looking to replace 1 piece of gear.
3-01-2010 @ 7:09PM
As a priest, you have to understand how awkward this reads. It's like a warrior saying "Hey guys, I use a ton of mail and leather and am a bit concerned with how itemization will turn out in Wrath. What do I do?"Do as Rossi commandeth in the thread above this one... "Get rid of thine Mail, nub."My advice to Mages would be similar.
3-01-2010 @ 7:48PM
@thebvpUh, you do realize that mages and priests are the exact same armor class? And that the only stats that don't overlap for us are mp5 (Your stat) and hit (Our stat)? Suggesting this in any way resembles a warrior wearing mail is ridiculous.An example: a piece of gear with stamina (They all have it), intellect, spirit, +haste, and +crit is a great piece of healing gear for a priest. It is also fantastic gear for a mage that is past the hit cap. It's not a matter of wearing the wrong gear in this situation; the piece works and is designed for both currently.Mind you, I think Blizzard will take care of this, but your reference analogy is inherently flawed.
3-01-2010 @ 7:51PM
@thebvpTo clarify, just in case you don't keep up on mage changes, a few patches ago they specifically redesigned our Molten Armor spell to benefit from spirit by converting a percentage of our spirit into crit rating. As such, my mage currently gains about 8% crit chance from spirit; I believe a fully BiS geared mage would get as much as 10%. So right now, it's a pretty good stat to have, though we usually won't stack it. We don't really have to stack it though, right now, it's on all our gear anyway. You can't really say we shouldn't be using it though when they went out of their way to make it useful to us. Don't worry though, we didn't like it in the first place and we don't mind giving it back.
3-01-2010 @ 7:54PM
@thebvp: Except that comparison is so freaking offbase as to be hysterically funny, particularly for someone who calls hirself a Priest. Not only is Cloth THE ONLY THING WE CAN WEAR, there is far, far more homogenization currently in cloth gear than probably any other type of gear barring dps leather. Blizzard guaranteed that when they folded +healing and +spell damage into +spellpower way back in 3.0.As it stands the only real demarcation between DPS and healer cloth is the presence of MP5 or Hit on an item. "Spirit" used to be mostly a healer thing too, but I don't want spirit on my Disc alt, it does fuck all for me compared to say, int or crit or haste. OTOH, I do get some benefit from spirit on my main via Molten Armor, and even more benefit on my deep Demo lock via Fel Armor. That's two DPS classes that get a superior boost from a previous "healer" stat than an actual healer spec. The logical conclusion of all this is things like Disc priests wearing Shadow T10 because it's itemized better for their stat needs (and there's the dubious value of the T10 healer bonus, but this is a mage column). And Blizzard has encouraged the current tangled mess of cloth homogenization by trying to shove Spirit down everyone's throat the minute we stepped off the zeppelin in Northrend.When Blizzard starts giving Warriors incentives via talents and skills to wear mail and leather items, then you'll have a valid comparison. Until then, you just sound ridiculous.
3-01-2010 @ 8:46PM
Right, I understand how itemization works for disc and holy. Moreover, I understand that some mage specs benefit more from gear with spirit and without +hit (because the cap is low, talents, etc) than "proper mage dps gear." I also understand that spirit is the second best dps stat for my warlock alt. Moreover, I understand that cloth is the best gear for specs like balance druids which "should" use leather. In the same way, really good melee dps gear for plate wearing classes like warriors is often not plate at all. I don't like it, but I understand it. Especially when you look at distribution of gear for healers (druids, shaman, and pallies only really compete with themselves), I don't like it.Cataclysm is meant to rectify this. That was my point- that gear is ridiculously skewed.
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