Two Bosses Enter: Readers push Black Knight through; Garfrost aims for Devourer

The very first match of the ICC-5/ToC-5 season of Two Bosses Enter started off in knots, with Thunderdome spectators surging in to break a split decision in the judges' box. As it turns out, 'twas only a flesh wound for the Black Knight, who smashed competitor Bronjahm with 61.7% of the spectators' approval. Things weren't quite so clear in the judges' box, however, as all four judges found their feet tempted by the undeniable groove of the Godfather of Souls.
Join us after the break for the judges' decisions, plus your chance to vote in the next battle of the season: the Devourer of Souls versus Forgemaster Garfrost. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls ... Dyin' time's here.

Victory for The Black Knight against Godfather of Souls Bronjahm was no sure thing. It was a saving throw from Thunderdome spectators that broke the knot in the judges' box to carry the dark gladiator to victory.
Judge Matthew Rossi: Bronjahm
Bronjahm is going to win because he is James Brown. The other guy is a reference to a very amusing John Cleese character -- but I believe if you asked John Cleese what would happen if he fought James Brown, he would admit that James Brown would defeat him. Sure, the fight would go John's way at first: he's very tall and looks to understand scrappy behavior as well as anyone. But James would simply refuse to actually be defeated. No matter how bad it looked, eventually he would have a cape thrown over his shoulders and be led away, only to toss that cape off and return to the fray while making noises that are barely even coherent (and yet still manage to be some of the best music ever recorded).
I'm sorry, John. I'm a huge fan of your work. But James Brown is going to win, because he's James Brown and that's all he needs.
Judge Sky Paladin: Bronjahm
The key abilities for this encounter are Bronjahm's Corrupt Soul and Fear. The Black Knight must focus his attacks on the soul fragment to burn it down, giving Bronjahm a big lead in damage time, or focus on Bronjahm and try to out-damage his healing from Corrupt Soul.
The Black Knight will catch up in his second phase, however. Bronjahm's Magic's Bane is well suited for taking out groups of melee opponents and idiot DPS. Army of the Dead are famous for taunting at inappropriate moments; Bronjahm will have no mercy. Bronjahm will leave the Black Knight with more than just a flesh wound before he even needs to use Soulstorm.
Black Knight's third phase is the most dangerous for Bronjahm, due to the low target choices for Marked For Death. However, the bane of the Knight's first phase, Corrupt Soul, will once again be effective. Bronjahm uses his fear frequently, and pushing the Black Knight into the Soulstorm will quickly shave away his already diminished health pool.
Judge Zapperz: The Black Knight
What we have is The Black Knight (the ultimate, in-your-face DK with brawn and tons attitude) versus Bronjahm (more of a tactical, cunning kind of dude). My first instinct is to give it to the Black Knight simply because of the Monty Python character, but let's look at this a little deeper.
I'm not even going to consider BK's ghouls a factor in this fight. They might prove to be a slight distraction, but they would easily be eaten up by Soulstorm while Bronjahm teleports a safe distance away. Bronjahm certainly doesn't want BK to get up close and personal with him. Bronjahm teleports to keep his distance, using Corrupt Soul to heal himself while he blasts away with Shadow Bolt. Rinse and repeating with this method, Bronjahm should be able to peel away BK's corporeal form quite quickly.
I don't see BK's skeleton form giving Bronjahm that much trouble. BK's Desecration would be ineffective against the teleporting Bronjahm, though BK would still be able land his licks and DOT up Bronjahm, so Blood Plague and Frost Fever would be taking their toll. Still, Bronjahm would be able to heal himself enough to blast and run BK down to his ghost form.
This is where we separate the men from the boys, where BK's never give up attitude takes over. BK marks Bronjahm for death and then clobbers and nails him with Death's Bite over and over, until Bronjahm is no more. BK would then taunt Bronjahm's body and make fun of his wimpy name.
So that's it. The Black Knight wins in a fairly close one. It all comes down to attitude, and Bronjahm can't beat a guy who no matter how hard you hurt him will insist he's had worse ... and it's only a flesh wound.
Judge Michael Gray: The Black Knight
In the Battle of Pop Culture References, it's difficult to choose between the Godfather of Soul and the man to whom everything is merely a flesh wound. But ultimately, I had to go for the Black Knight. I'm fairly certain he just won't be impressed by the brand new bag.
In terms of battle style, the Black Knight brings with him his legion of undead to help handle the Corrupt Soul ability on which Bronjahm relies. And Bronjahm must not only defeat the Black Knight once or twice -- he has to do it a whopping three times. By the time the fight's dwindled to when the Black Knight is in melee range, Bronjahm's out of reliable tricks to keep the Black Knight's inestimable prowess at bay.
However, in the moments after Bronjahm's death, the ghoul and ghost army of the Black Knight will enjoy the final music -- and get on up, then get on down.

- The Two Bosses Thunderdome is considered neutral territory, where both combatants are able to access their usual encounter mechanics and abilities. If you can't visualize it inside the Thunderdome, visualize it someplace else -- but you must take into consideration all of each bosses' abilities and mechanics.
- Assume that each opponent is intelligent and capable of strategic thinking.
- All of the competitors' abilities, including crowd control and other effects to which bosses are usually immune, work on their opponents (with apologies to considerations of lore on this point).
- Assume that the opponents share similar levels, health pools and comparative overall damage output.
- Don't get caught up in gameplay mechanics and what actual players might do in each encounter.
- Don't neglect style, story and scale. Everything is a factor; seeking balance is your goal as a spectator and judge.
In Corner One: The Devourer of SoulsYou dare look upon the host of souls?! I shall devour you whole!
The Devourer of Souls is the second and final boss of the Forge of Souls in Icecrown Citadel. He resembles the similarly-named Reliquary of Souls from the Black Temple.
Read more about how the Devourer of Souls goes about his gruesome feast of souls, and review reports from the hardy adventurers who've faced him in battle.
In Corner Two: Forgemaster GarfrostTiny creatures under feet, you bring Garfrost something good to eat!
Forgemaster Garfrost is an ice-covered, undead flesh giant, whose duty is to forge saronite weapons and armor for the Scourge. The first boss in the Pit of Saron, he is one of the two opponents required to unlock passage to Scourgelord Tyrannus and the Halls of Reflection.
- Chilling Wave
- Deep Freeze
- Forge Frostborn Mace
- Forge Frozen Blade
- Permafrost
- Throw Saronite
- Thundering Stomp
Learn more about how the Forgemaster forges his chilling tactics, and review reports from adventuring parties who've met him in the Pit of Saron.
Inside the Thunderdome
Two Bosses Enter matchups are about substance and style, not game play and mechanics. Don't base your strategies on player tactics, which opponent has been easiest or most difficult for you personally, or the difficulty of each opponent relative to instance progression. Vote for the spirit of the battle as set forth above. Set aside differences in opponents' health pools, game level and actual damage output. Absolutely no game-mechanic nitpicking!
| Devourer of Souls wins (Garfrost dies) | |
|---|---|
| Forgemaster Garfrost wins (Devourer dies) | |
| Tie (something else happens) |
The Five-Man Bosses of Icecrown Citadel and Trial of the Champion
Match 1: Bronjahm vs. The Black Knight – THE BLACK KNIGHT
Match 2: Devourer of Souls vs. Forgemaster Garfrost
Match 3: Krick and Ick vs. Scourgelord Tyrannus
Match 4: Falric vs. Argent Confessor Paletress
Match 5: Marwyn vs. ToC PvP champions
March 6: Eadric the Pure vs. Lich King
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
jhkid Mar 3rd 2010 4:38PM
IM FIRIN mAH LAZER BLAHHH
Devourer wins
Mattimus Mar 3rd 2010 4:39PM
Also, the debuff only affects Living creatures, so the Devourer might not even take that ticking damage.
Garfrost, being endowed with strategic thinking as a rule in this fight, would know better than to stand in front of the eye beam.
salah Mar 3rd 2010 5:03PM
If Permafrost can hit undead players--who only differ from other undead in that they have been able to break free of the Lich King's control--then Permafrost can hit Devourer of Souls.
Sargenus Mar 3rd 2010 5:51PM
@salah
"Don't get caught up in gameplay mechanics and what actual players might do in each encounter."
And Devourer wins it. People are forgetting Unleashed souls(Which can NOT be killed), and Wailing Souls. Garfrost is a bit, well. Let's face it. He's suffering from extreme cases of retardation. I doubt he'll move out of laz0rz or avoid shiny purple grounds or stop attacking during Mirrored Souls.
salah Mar 3rd 2010 5:56PM
@sargenus
I was chiming in on the whole "would Devourer get hit by Permafrost stacks" question, not what players might or might not do.
Fletcher Mar 3rd 2010 4:36PM
Devourer. I don't think Garfrost can stop casting that stacking frost debuff, so the minute he gets Mirrored he'll take stupid damage. The Devourer's wailing souls are toast, mind - the frost damage will kill them pretty fast - but given Garfrost's stacking dots, this fight can only go one way.
Mattimus Mar 3rd 2010 4:40PM
Permafrost only affects living creatures. Is the Devourer living?
Fletcher Mar 3rd 2010 4:48PM
"All of the competitors' abilities, including crowd control and other effects to which bosses are usually immune, work on their opponents (with apologies to considerations of lore on this point)."
jasonkidd1234 Mar 3rd 2010 4:44PM
I'm giving it to garfrost.
The Devourer is a cool fight, but I think Garfrost's epic aoe would do him in.
It doesn't matter if he switches "faces", he'll still be taking constantly stacking AOE.
Throw on the stun+weapon, and I think he'd be a pretty formidable matchup for most bosses.
I doubt the devourer of souls would use the Saronite boulders as LOS, and even if he did, the fact that he has no heals at all would mean the stacking debuff would be lethal after a few seconds, especially once it gets near the topend of it's damage. The various attacks he has also would help him win, imo.
Even if Garfrost dps's during the mirrored soul, I doubt he'd die, I mean even DPS who normally DPS during it in game rarely die unless the heals are unattentive.
So I'm saying the Debuff would get to be too much for the devourer.
PeeWee Mar 3rd 2010 4:50PM
Nah, give us more info on the Tarren Mill EU-attack instead. =)
Nazgûl Mar 3rd 2010 4:55PM
Garfrost has no chance here. His Saronite Chunks eventually cover much of the floor, the rest of which is covered by the purple zone of horrible death the Devourer brings to the table. So on top of that damage, the Permafrost stacks on Devourer can be countered in two ways: new face, Mirrored Soul. 12 stacks? Mirrored Soul, Garfrost takes ~4k a tick when coupled with the floor, goes down quickly. New face, new ability: Wailing Souls and the eye beam win it quickly for the Devourer.
Clydtsdk-Rivendare Mar 3rd 2010 5:01PM
Giving it to Garfrost as well. Mirrored Soul only affects 3-4 ticks of permafrost and shouldn't reset the stack either. Considering Garfrost's other Frost damage, which would hit pretty hard, Devourer doesn't really have much to beat him with. Devourer is a cooler boss, sure, but Garfrost would win in a fight.
@"Is Devourer living?" I'd say yes. He is the same type of creature as Reliquary. "Reliquary" is a container of sacred relics (thefreedictionary.com). Thus, Reliquary of Souls is a container for souls. Since Devourer and Reliquary are the same type of creature, Devourer also contains souls (by devouring them?). And what else contains a soul... oh yes, a living creature. Granted, this gets kind of philosophical, but I think it works.
Nodonn Mar 3rd 2010 5:23PM
Having a soul inside you makes you living now?
What does that make Frostmourne?
salah Mar 3rd 2010 5:05PM
Permafrost hits Undead players. They are as "not living" as the Devourer of Souls.
Eregos ftw! Mar 3rd 2010 5:48PM
No. Not true. Undead 'Players' are still considered humanoid, where devourer is not.
Eregos ftw! Mar 3rd 2010 5:50PM
WTB edit button.
To my last post, it says in the rules that all abilities that only damage players will also damage opponents, so... disregard/downrate my last comment.
salah Mar 3rd 2010 5:53PM
I think Fletcher above has a better response than mine to the whole "would devourer get permafrost stacks?" question.
"All of the competitors' abilities, including crowd control and other effects to which bosses are usually immune, work on their opponents (with apologies to considerations of lore on this point)."
Doesn't matter whether Devourer is alive or undead or humanoid. Rules of the thunderdome says all of the abilities--including Permafrost--work.
wkennaway Mar 3rd 2010 5:55PM
If Garfrost dares look upon the host of souls, then I'm pretty sure he'll devour Garfrost whole.
splodesondeath Mar 3rd 2010 6:38PM
Garfrost wins because he totally writes bad poetry to Sylvanas/Jaina.
"Fair lady under feet,
Please bring Garfrost yummy treat"
Fletcher Mar 3rd 2010 6:52PM
Now I want to see Trollgore vs. Garfrost. "Me so hungry! Must feed!" against "Tiny creatures under feet, you bring Garfrost something good to eat!"