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3-04-2010 @ 2:07PM
Ret paladins are hardly bottom of the barrel DPS. Out of all the hybrids ret paladins come out just below fury warriors, and beat warlocks as well as survival hunters.
3-04-2010 @ 2:09PM
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4093/100216dps2.pngThat's parses from all classes on all fights on ICC normal modes, where I am getting my data from. As you can clearly see, ret paladins are ranked 6 of 21 or so possible DPS specs.
3-04-2010 @ 2:15PM
Just fyi, this info is a bit inaccurate......First, not everyone is turning in all the info. they should.Secondly, notice how alot of these specs are all within 1k dps of each other......
3-04-2010 @ 2:17PM
Please advise on the source of your data sir.http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/classrank/dtb/9/0/3
3-04-2010 @ 2:19PM
Cool chart. Obviously, there are a ton of other factors to consider, but in context it's informative. Are you getting that from your own recount stats or wowonline, etc?
3-04-2010 @ 2:21PM
I am getting the data from Elitist Jerks, and it does break it down by fight for you if you need it.
3-04-2010 @ 2:25PM
So according to that chart (http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4093/100216dps2.png), DKs need buffs all around, even though many people still say that DKs are OP...
3-04-2010 @ 2:48PM
If it comes from Elitist Jerks it's probably Simcrafted. Actual output by actual guilds is a better measure.
3-04-2010 @ 2:50PM
http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t92564-world_logs_top_performers_per_spec_icc_normal/Double checked, its by way of EJ from world of logs. I still trust this over the other site, as they do not break it down by spec.
3-04-2010 @ 3:11PM
For a hybrid class, they certainly don't pay much of a tax in any spec. Great survival and damage as tanks. Incredible tank (two at once) healing. And considering how much goes into playing an Affliction Warlock vs. a Ret Paladin, I'd say they don't pay much of a hybrid tax in that area. They have amazing sustained AoE DPS. They do lose some of their potency when they only have one target to hit, but not enough to say they're really paying a tax. As for "overpowered", that's a relative term. Hopefully someday Blizzard will find a way to make hybrid classes play in a hybrid manner. Until then, the Pwnadins will rule many parts of the game.
3-04-2010 @ 3:23PM
Actually, the methodology used to generate that chart is extremely dodgy. You can read the comments in the link you last provided for a good explanation as to why. To make a long story short, those aren't averages, they're medians, which means they're one particular raider's stats (saying "I took the median of the top 20" is essentially the same as saying "I took the 10th best person's stats and used those alone"), which will basically inflate everyone's stats above average, but inflate those classes with less consistent, more randomly influenced damage significantly more. Indeed, it will often show lower average DPS specs above higher average DPS specs due to selecting for the lucky people who the RNG favored with more crits and higher damage rolls.
3-04-2010 @ 3:26PM
tl;dr version of my last comment: You've posted a chart showing which specs benefit most from luck. You haven't posted a chart that shows which specs output the best average DPS.
3-04-2010 @ 3:43PM
DKs aren't broken into tanks and dps. The tanks are probably pulling each spec down.
3-04-2010 @ 4:03PM
No love for Subtlety Rogues... We don't even get anyone putting numbers up for us on the chart...
3-04-2010 @ 4:20PM
Using http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/classrank/dtb/9/0/3And I can saw one thing:wow, is that depressing to see where Shamans fall on those charts. In 9 of the 19 fights that listed shamans at all, we were at the bottom of the heap. If we include all the fights where we were either last or next-to-last, it covers 13 of the 19. We never ranked higher than 6th.That's really... depressing.
3-04-2010 @ 4:22PM
@wdsrmail Holy Paladin and Protection Paladins don't pay a "hybrid" tax because there are no pure tank classes or pure healing classes.
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