Introductory guide to fighting rogues, Part 3 continued

Rogues also utilize a vastly different resource system from other classes by relying on a rapidly replenishing resource called Energy, which is fixed at a max value of 100 (120 with the Vigor talent and glyph and 130 with some gear bonus). For all the speed of rogue strikes, their biggest limitation is their rate of Energy regeneration, which is fixed at 1 per 1/10th of a second, or 10 Energy per second. That means the stun-lock scenario described above isn't actually as scary as it sounds because rogues will normally have 40 Energy left after opening with a Cheap Shot which costs 60 Energy. Although they can almost immediately hit with a Sinister Strike (it takes half a second to get back up to 45 Energy and some rogues pick up Improved Sinister Strike to drop the base cost to 40 Energy, anyway) right after the Cheap Shot, they will be left with 0 Energy and will have to wait another few seconds to apply another builder strike.
Now that's not so scary, anymore, is it? Most of the strikes that a rogue applies on you while you're stunned are actually auto-attacks, which don't generate any combo points. Sure, they'll hurt, but only because rogue auto-attacks are stupidly fast. This means any sort of reflective damage ability will totally demolish them, such as Thorns or Holy Shield. Now understand that in PvP, rogues will almost always try to keep an Energy reserve for abilities such as Kick and try to keep enough to be able to Gouge (45 Energy). Having an acute understanding of rogue Energy should also give you an idea of what strikes they'll be able to pull off.
The bad news is that rogues never run out of Energy. Never. It takes about 10 seconds to fill up an Energy bar to 100, so that's wickedly fast. The good news is that the best rogue strikes are extremely expensive, ranging from 45 to 60 Energy. So the best recourse when fighting a rogue? Hit them with your most powerful strikes while their Energy is low, basically the boxing equivalent of counter-punching. It's easier said than done, but keeping track of their Energy as well as when they unleash a finishing move is a good rule of thumb for your own attacks and counters.
Limitations
These limitations should give you a fairly good idea of how a rogue operates in PvP. They are single target opponents who tend to focus on one target at a time, looking to build up their attacks before unleashing powerful ones. Because the class actually demands it of some abilities, a lot of rogues learn early on how important it is to be behind an opponent. That said, maneuvering behind an opponent is not a beginner's skill. It takes tremendous practice to execute, so take comfort in the fact that most rogues aren't capable of doing this at will in the chaos of the battlefield.
If you can manage it, always face the rogue you're fighting. This is where mouse movement versus keyboard turning becomes a decisive factor. It's easier and faster to turn with your mouse than it is to use they keyboard. Against a rogue, that's pretty critical. Take away her key strength of fighting behind you and you should take away a good part of her bite. While it's basic for melee classes to stay behind their targets, rogues get particular benefits from doing so. Don't let them. That's why Gouge is so important to them. It lets them re-establish their position. One of a rogue's greatest weapons in PvP isn't their abilities but their need to fight from behind an opponent. You can't hit what you can't see.
Rogues are melee glass cannons, which is why they absolutely need to use every bit of crowd control they have at their disposal. This is why they hit and run. This is why they attack from stealth and from behind an opponent. Catch them in a stun and they'll wither very quickly to attacks. The best way to handle a rogue is to turn the tables on them -- take away their openers, hamper their mobility, and surprise them with a burst of damage to force them to blow evasive cooldowns or escape.
Alright. Now we've gone through some rogue basics, such as their class mechanic and resource. In the next and final part of this introductory guide, we'll take a closer look at the three different rogue specs, their special abilities, and the subtle differences in rogue fighting styles as well as how to counter them. For now, have a good time out on the battlefield and always keep your eyes peeled and ears alert for that signature whoosh.






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Blackriver Mar 7th 2010 6:06PM
Don't tell our secrets! >.>
jaenicoll Mar 8th 2010 10:49AM
He only told some.
What I would love to see is an article that shows how to set up Affliction 3 (I can't find any on the net) and how one can set up Scrolling Text or Power Auras to provide alerts for major spells.
Sparcrypt Mar 8th 2010 5:30PM
Well this line here... "his means you'll be stunned for the next 4 seconds, allowing the rogue to get a couple more builders on you before the stun breaks. For most rogues, this will be a Sinister Strike."
Shows that our secrets are pretty safe.
Most PvP rogues are mutilate spec, as well as most PvE ones at the moment. Come next patch sub will also make a return meaning the two most likely follow up attacks are mutilate and backstab.. only a combat rogue will drop a SS on you and there aren't too many of them left, certainly not in PvP.
onetrueping Mar 9th 2010 5:09AM
SH! Bad Sparcrypt!
Zhadruun Mar 7th 2010 6:21PM
Assassinate, assassinate, assassinate, assassinate,
assassinate, assassinate, assassinate, assassinate...
Premeditate, Eviscerate, meeting me in a Horde war state.
It's the class you can't see, rock your ass when I PvP.
Stalk and move so silently, Shadowstep because I'm Subtlety.
Seal fate, Mutilate, caster clothie used as bait.
Salivate, lay in wait, stunlocked for that shot you take
Hold up wait, catform 's fake, get that druid boy out my face.
See the boom, spamming moon, fire shame you'll be an oomkin soon.
Sit to drink like a bg noob, pwn that poultry with a crit or two.
Assassinate, assassinate, assassinate, assassinate,
assassinate, assassinate, assassinate, assassinate...
Dressed in black, what was that? Dropped your guard, you got sapped.
Don't play nice, need no tact with my blade in your back.
Infiltrate, decimate, Undead Horde 's the choice of race.
Everyplace, no mistake, Alliance has the greatest taste.
Face to face, out of place, Shadowstep Ambush laid to waste.
Anticipate, every move you make, how're you gonna run in a crippled state?
God I hate the damn AV wait, tell them all to queue, but I can't translate.
Deviate, cook a talbuk steak, fish so damn much that I master bait (What?).
So just relax, disarm those traps, kill the cat once the Hunter 's sapped.
Blood Elf I love my Mana Tap, Arcane Torrent now handle that.
Assassinate, assassinate, assassinate, assassinate,
assassinate, assassinate, assassinate, assassinate...
Dressed in black, what was that? Dropped your guard, you got sapped.
Don't play nice, need no tact with my blade in your back.
Unlock the box, kick them Locks, Cloak of Shadows negates the DoTs.
All these stuns got you on lock, more combo points than Tony Hawk.
Poison blades, I create, damage over time and won't abate.
So be fast, don't procrastinate, you don't equate, so accept your fate.
At this rate it's safe to state, I'm getting nerfed in the next update.
Interface, palm to face, keybindings that I can't replace.
I got Sprint, so don't run that race, laced with poison just in case.
Allow me to abbreviate, wtf pwned in cyberspace!
Dressed in black, what was that? Dropped your guard, you got sapped.
Don't play nice, need no tact with my blade in your back.
Assassinate, assassinate, assassinate, assassinate,
assassinate, assassinate, assassinate, assassinate!
Hivetyrant Mar 7th 2010 6:49PM
I'm sorry, but that was terrible
Zhadruun Mar 7th 2010 7:04PM
I didn't make it up. It's Nymh's property. At least it pretty much sums rogues up.. Pesky sneakers.
Shadowxx Mar 7th 2010 6:25PM
all they do is stun and kill you while you cant do anything. Thats why I hate pvp.
Alden Mar 7th 2010 7:03PM
The fact that you think that, actually makes you an easier kill.
When you see a rogue open up on you, I bet you either:
A) Panic
B) Give up
Either one is pretty much an insta-win for the rogue.
Unless of course you are in pve gear, or ilevel 200 pvp gear, and the rogue is current season geared. Then you are toast, but thats true of every pvp battle.
Oriflame Mar 7th 2010 9:40PM
but more true of fighting rogues. People learn to hate them early because an equally geared rogue is tough - and a rouge that outgears you by a wide margin hurts more than any other class that, especially while leveling.
Only my twinked rogues one shot guys is what I'm saying here. They aren't an easy class to fight and you are screwed if you don't have good gear.
Jeebies Mar 7th 2010 6:48PM
@Shadowxx many classes stun, and with resilience you won't be killed in a stun lock by a rogue.
I feel like this guide doesn't ever actually give you a practical idea on how to fight rogues in different PvP situations in WoW's current state, most of a rogue's abilities are pretty straight forward so I think most people understand their basic mechanics by now...
Wall of text basics.
Hivetyrant Mar 7th 2010 6:50PM
If you have ever logged into the World of Warcraft, you would understand that at least 60% of the players can barely keyboard turn, let alone understand the game mechanics.
Also, if you are replying to someone, why can't you click the "reply" link???
Jeebies Mar 7th 2010 6:57PM
The meat of my post wasn't meant to be a reply, that's why.
If someone can barely keyboard turn why would they be on wow.com looking at strategies on how to fight rogues? They would probably be in game farming linen or whatever those people do.
Jonisjalopy Mar 7th 2010 6:51PM
That gnome on the page one pic is priceless
kozom Mar 7th 2010 6:59PM
I'm terrified of the Dangerously Delicious daily because of this class.
me: You know, wintergrasp is kind of calming during off-peak hours. Fishing, waterfalls, sunshine, mountains, trees-
CHEAP SHOT-GOUGE-HEMORRHAGE-KIDNEY SHOT-MUTiLATE-*DEAD*
I now fly away every time after finishing casting out for a fish :(
Alden Mar 7th 2010 7:05PM
If that is the rogue's rotation you are fighting against, you should have no problem beating him with your fishing pole till he's sent to the nearest grave yard.
Ratskinmahoney Mar 8th 2010 12:14AM
If you are on PvE server, go to the southern extremity of Wintergrasp, near the southern tower. You can stand in what is technically Icemist Village, Dragonblight while still casting into Wintergrasp water, thus removing the necessity of flagging PvP.
Björnmolfr Mar 7th 2010 7:05PM
If i get the chanse, i sneak in a [spell]Mark of Blood[/spell] on rogues.
read: "Most of the strikes that a rogue applies on you while you're stunned are actually auto-attacks, which don't generate any combo points. Sure, they'll hurt, but only because rogue auto-attacks are stupidly fast"
If i get it in, it makes me smile, and oft leaves rogue dead if it goes unnoticed.
Alden Mar 7th 2010 7:08PM
1) Why are you pvping in blood? Something tells me you probably die a lot to rogues (and mages, and warriors, and shamans and...).
2) Yes, most of us rogues know what the MoB debuff is. It means we either stop attacking, or CoS it away.
itsthebrent Mar 7th 2010 8:47PM
Mark of Blood, meet Cloak of Shadows.
Blood DK, meet Death.