Spiritual Guidance: Holy? Disc? We're all priests

When I first started raiding, it was in late Burning Crusade. At the time I fancied myself a PvPer, shying away from raids due to attunements, and the long gear climb I'd have to perform in order to catch up with friends doing tier 5 content. Despite this, sometime during tier 6, a friend of mine convinced me to come along to a raid. How he convinced the raid leader though, I can't imagine. I remember standing there in my resilience gear, surrounded by players in their various shiny gear sets, and asking myself over and over, "what am I doing here?" I sheepishly put my talents into the holy tree, and tried to arrange my bars to accommodate the spells I hadn't cast in months. I was out of my element.
And then I saw Baba. She was beautiful.
Well, actually it was a he, just with a female toon... But that aside, Baba was a priest from another guild who was joining the raid as a friend and favor. He was decked out in full tier 6, and when the meters were posted in raid chat, he was always at the top. He would laugh in vent about Circle of Healing being overpowered, causing me to immediately blush like a school girl in admiration of his humility and nonchalant pro-ness. Eventually Baba had to go though, and the raid was called when he did. I never saw him at another raid, but I remembered him.
Wrath of the Lich King came out and my experience in discipline as a PvPer made me an ideal pioneer into the spec for PvE. The guild I had seen off and on with my friend in Burning Crusade, took me in and made it their mission to gear me up as a member of the team. Then one day, bouncing around Dalaran, launching Penance pew pews around at random people, I skipped right into Baba. I channeled Penance at him; Divine Aegis procced - we shared a moment. At least... in my head we did. I can't remember who spoke first, but I remember telling him about discipline, and how different it was. I told him, "Holy is like the refined gentleman of healing; a respected veteran who casts powerful but slower spells. Discipline is the ragtag, new guy; maybe he wears a mohawk. He can heal on the go, bouncing about with quick, instant cast heals." The game was a lot different in early Wrath.
Months later, outside the Eye of Eternity, I sat perched on top of my flying carpet, waiting for a friend to finish respeccing so I could summon him. Suddenly, I saw Baba appear from the summon portal of another group. As soon as he zoned in, I saw him hop around in circles, then to my surprise, he cast Penance at me. Divine Aegis procced and I stared at him, astonished. My holy idol had gone disc; my world turned upside down.
I asked him, "You went disc?"
He hopped around a bit more, "Yeah, I like it a lot."
I was taken aback. We talked a bit more before going to our respective instances, and I never saw Baba again before I transferred off the server some months later to find my raiding destiny. There is something important to be said from that encounter, though. Baba had played Burning Crusade through as a talented and respected holy priest - yet he switched to disc during Wrath. Looking him up on the armory right now, he's double shadow. Admittedly, I never knew him that well, but the impression I got from him was that it didn't really matter to him what spec he played. He loved playing a priest.
And I'd imagine that's why the lot of you play priests.
Which is what this post is about. (Bet you thought this was some priest on priest version of Twilight for a while, huh?) I've noticed a very strange divide among priests of both specs. Granted, it's not like that for everyone, but I see it more often than a priest who does both, and it kind of alarms me to see this rivalry between my priesty brothers and sisters.
So, if you're a disc priest hating on holy, or a holy priest hating on disc, cut it out already! WoW isn't an Apple commercial (okay, maybe it is). Think about the day you rolled your priest. Aside from looking oh-so-fashionable, what attracted you to pick this class over all the other classes? I'm going to guess for the majority of you it was for healing. Not healing with rainbow colored balls, flashy golden beams, bubbles, or divine tea sandwich trays - just healing. Don't forget that.
Of course, dual specs have made it even easier to embrace both healing trees, so there really is no reason to not embrace the entirety of your class. Though many priests might have used the extra spec to pick up a DPS or PvP spec, the variety of encounters in Icecrown Citadel definitely encourage us to walk both paths. Even if you run with two priests of different specs, having the option for them to swap and double up can be ideal for some fights. Lady Deathwhisper has no issues accommodating two disc priests for example, and Sindragosa could easily benefit from double holy priest Prayer of Healing.
I myself used to always run with a shadow offspec, but a couple months ago I switched to two heal specs. I can't tell you how nice it is to walk into an instance now, do one pull with a death knight tank, and then have the ability to switch to discipline. Or when I hit a queue up for a random heroic and get Pit of Saron, it's great being able to switch to holy and better handle the first boss. I know it certainly makes VoA or Ony PUGs easier when I can switch to what the group needs just by one look at the raid composition.
The only thing I should warn you about is to be weary of your group bossing you around too much. You're the one playing the priest – you should be the best equipped to decide what spec will help most, not them. (Just make sure you're not in disagreement because of a personal bias.) If there is another priest in the raid, get their opinion. If you're still in disagreement, talk it over with the raid leader or healing officer and go through the pros and cons of each spec for a fight. Explain why you think one spec is better. Do listen to what the opposition says, of course, as anyone is capable of holding a gem of insight.
And while it isn't necessary to have two healing specs, I would encourage every priest who tends to stick with one spec, to really give the other a try (or a second chance) to get good at it. Maybe for a few weeks, try doing all your heroic dailies as the other spec. Knowing how to play both will not only give you more tools to assess and approach new encounters, your versatility will make you infinitely more valuable to a raid team. This is the most important thing you can do for yourself if you're going to play a game like WoW. There will be times where if you can't be what the raid wants, you'll have to sit out. No one wants to be benched when we show up ready to play, so don't put yourself in a situation where that is a possible outcome. Learn both heal specs, and then learn the various styles of those specs. While you're at it, go read Fox's column and learn shadow too. (He should be recovered from his wounds by Wednesday.) Be flexible so you can play the game you pay to play.
Finally, I thought I would include a companion list to the one I made last week. Previously, I gave a short list of fights disc was good for, and why. Now we will see holy's strengths in Icecrown Citadel. Ta-da!
- Lord Marrowgar: Circle of Healing is well-suited for responding to Bone Storm. Holy's stronger Prayer of Mending performs exceptionally in this fight as well.
- Gunship Battle: Whether it be normal or heroic, there really isn't any healer that is actually bad for this fight. Holy will manage it just fine, though you might find a tiny bit of strain on tank damage. I wish Blizzard would make the fishing chair available in different flavors so 3/4 of the healers could hit the deck in style. Come on, you're on a boat. (Oooo! I'm so original!)
- Deathbringer Saurfang: Despite me not mentioning it last week, priests all around are good on this fight. If the RNG works out in your favor, and a Mark of the Fallen Champion lands on a priest, it's like getting the hat in Monopoly. (Sure, everyone likes the car, but you can't put the car on your pinkie finger and perform annoying puppet shows.) Binding Heal is the perfect response to such good RNG. If you aren't so fortunate, Guardian Spirit can at least be used on a Marked target so you can focus your healing on the tank for a few more seconds during Frenzy.
- Festergut: A heavy raid damage fight like Festergut is great for holy. Of course, druids have the advantage for effective healing, but a well-timed Prayer of Healing and Circle of Healing can pop the raid back up after Pungent Blight, buying druid HoTs more time. Guardian Spirit, like Pain Suppression, is great for tanks.
- Rotface: The incidental damage in this fight makes Holy an ideal responder with Circle of Healing. Take that druid HoTs!
- Professor Putricide: So much of the damage on this fight will either kill players or won't. (This is why disc's preventative bubbles are so great.) A good holy priest will be just as effective as other healers on this fight, and should find especially good moments to use Circle of Healing during the green ooze spawn.
- Blood Prince Council: How well holy performs on this fight is somewhat random and inconsistent depending on where players end up in the encounter. Prayer of Mending's bouncing and the range on Circle of Healing will be a little more useful on heroic mode, where players try to remain stationary as much as possible.
- Blood Queen Lana'thel: This fight is so biased to druid healing, but a holy priest can still find things to do. You can play to effective healing meters and Renew spam, or you can focus more on first aid healing. Both are useful on the fight. If you do the latter, focus on topping off targets about to be bitten, using Circle of Healing during the air phase to keep your raid up, and spot heal victims of Pact of the Darkfallen or Swarming Shadows.
- Valithria Dreamwalker: You won't be healing Valithria herself (mutter mutter...) but holy priests are fantastic for covering the raid. To help out the other healers, glyph for Guardian Spirit and use it on Valithria when your companions exit the dream portals.
- Sindragosa: Nothing really beats a holy priest on this fight. With Unchained Magic on you, you'll want to cast spells with the most bang: Prayer of Healing is that spell. (It's made better since it ignores line of sight.) Add in Prayer of Mending and Circle of Healing to seal the deal.
- Lich King: You won't be able to handle Infest with bubbles, but you can prepare for it by casting Renew on one group, queuing up a Prayer of Healing on another, then following it all with a Circle of Healing on your third group. Win, huh?
Oh, by the way, this whole article was just a sneaky lead in for the highly anticipated (I can dream, right?) Disc 101. Check back next week for it! Same disco channel.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Narshe Mar 14th 2010 6:22PM
I love Dawn Moore "more" (snicker) each article. One of the many reasons i love playing my Priest.
melwin Mar 14th 2010 6:28PM
Diciplin priests are great, absolutly fantastic, when applied in the correct situations, biggest problem with them is, they are the only healer class that gets diminishing returns from bringing multuple diciplin priests, all becasue of Weakend soul and also due to their 3% damage migration buff, a single diciplin priest is able to offer this buff on high uptime, but weakend soul prevents multuple priests using their strongest healing spell several times on the same target, which really is a shame. Holy just seems to be suited to almost any fight, and one priest wont affect the preformance of another priest, for thoes reasons I spec Holy/shadow. I would be happy to spec Diciplin/shadow becasue its a really fun spec to play, but the other priest healer in the guild goes dicplin/holy so its just not viable for me to play diciplin
Cigan Mar 15th 2010 3:28PM
There is also a lot of general misunderstanding about dicipline's strengths. I got into my first ICC pug last Friday (I know I'm late to the game). We got all the way to Saurfang and then started hitting our heads against a brick wall. There were no healing assignments (don't ask my why the raid leader even said that specifically at the beginning of the raid). We had been running with a druid, a shammy and myself. We went 2 healer on Saurfang because of the importance of burning down the adds. I went oom. I'm going to let that sink in for a second . . . I . . a discipline priest . . went oom. I mean hard oom both mana cooldowns gone kind of oom, and worst of all it was always as the battle was almost over.
When I went oom the raid started to fall. Plain and simple. We did this twice and then someone spoke up and said we should do healing assignments. I internally thought thank god that should add enough efficiency to get me through the fight. So then the comment is made that I'm disc and I should only ever be a tank healer EVER. Now, disc is a strong tank healer. Our burst heal from penance is obviously an excellent tank tool, and the triple hit makes sure to maximize grace and at end game crit chance assures an almost guaranteed inspiration. I get that, totally. Bubble-bots, no matter how degrading a title are an amazing raid healing tool. The ability to throw dots on everyone in anticipation of a big hunk of aoe gives a huge amount of breathing room to other raid healers. Anyone who has ever thrown a prayer of healing on borrowed time also knows how effective disc healers can be at raid healing. After a big aoe you shield one tank throw POH, shield the other tank throw POH. Disc raid healing is a very unique prioritized dance of jigsaw puzzle pieces that fit together one way perfectly and can be forced together in less than optimal situations other ways. It's all about synergy, but it works and it works in a ways that creates a HUGE amount of synergy with other raid healers.
Now I have no complaints about being put on tank, and I certainly wasn't going to have this conversation in a pug. My point is that the input was that disc is only ever tank ever. We are strong in that situation. In a normal damage everyone is geared raid I wouldn't even necessarily recommend the disc healer go raid heals. In a raid where there are some people who might not survive the aoe, and you really need that little something else for raid healing having a pocket disc raid healer makes a huge difference, especially if it's a situation where there is more than one raid healer. I just wish more people understood all the roles we can fill.
For the people who want to know the end of my story: When we moved to assignments it became evident very quickly that I was going oom because the druid wasn't holding his own. We wiped, the raid was called. I messaged the raid leader and thanked him for taking me (I had admitted to not knowing the raid and he went out on a limb including me in the group). He said I executed very well and he also saw the druid as the weak link. I still picked over my performance looking for things I could improve. I found a couple things, and we might try to get some more of that instance in tonight before the lockouts reset. We'll see what happens.
dropthehamer Mar 14th 2010 6:32PM
Whats with all the hating on resto druids in your column? And when you said " Think about the day you rolled your priest. Aside from looking oh-so-fashionable, what attracted you to pick this class over all the other classes? I'm going to guess for the majority of you it was for healing. Not healing with rainbow colored balls, flashy golden beams, bubbles, or divine tea sandwich trays - just healing." its a dirty lie!!!! I rolled a priest to deeeeps and deeeeps i shall
Dawn Moore Mar 14th 2010 6:39PM
lol, yeah I hated on druids a little more this week than usual for sure. I don't actually hate them - just being snarky.
As for deeps =O why not roll a warlock?
Korey Mar 15th 2010 12:14AM
Because shadowform makes my mounts look cooler.
Jacob Thompson Mar 14th 2010 6:48PM
Disc all through, bubble spam is awesome for AoE's and on heavy tank dmg *festerlol* Power Infusing yourself just makes it a breeze with DA soaking up a bit of the 20-25k melee's.
Jacob Thompson Mar 14th 2010 6:51PM
And on Dreamwalker you can stay out while the other healers go in the portals to get the buff
Rob Mar 14th 2010 6:44PM
Nice article. I'm leveling my 3rd priest, this is the first past level 20. Hope to go all the way with her, but we'll see. So far I like it alot. I love holy nova, and inner fire, and the fear..so far even at 20 its a pretty powerful class.
dropthehamer Mar 14th 2010 7:03PM
I enjoy the Spriest spells and playstyle, I also enjoy the raid buffs that I provide. You don't spend alot of time reading Arcane / Frost 101 do you? I didn't roll a warlock because I dont like being hated by all the other casters and having weekly posts centered around whats hitting me in the face this week, + I can read. I heard warlocks can't read.
Dawn Moore Mar 14th 2010 7:08PM
I hear ya. =) I have a friend who played spriest through vanilla and bc and he said when he finally went warlock it was the best thing he ever did for himself. I guess for people who really do want to dps, a true dps class makes sense.
As for warlocks... I do like mages a lot, and I don't mind warlocks as much as everyone else. I have to admit though, it is a bit rare to meet a warlock who is both skilled and articulate.
sprasad Mar 15th 2010 3:15AM
tsk - spriests rock in this patch. Tis like the heavens and the earth alligned and everything came together to give us that perfect chance to down the lich king.
locks are locks, lifetapping at the wrong time, making snide comments, whinging bout loot. spriests rock.
end.
Ver7ig0 Mar 14th 2010 7:05PM
"You won't be able to handle Infest with bubbles"
On 10 man, bubbles are godly for infest. Most of the time, the bubble will prevent your HP from ever dropping below 90%, completely nullifying the debuff.
It's also worth noting that absorbs slow down Deathbringer Saurfang's blood power generation significantly, which is fantastic on hard mode.
Janaan Mar 14th 2010 11:31PM
I think you misunderstood her statement. She was giving a list of things HOLY is particularly good at in ICC. Holy bubbles? Pretty much useless. So she was saying essentially "You won't be able to handle Infest with bubbles, like your Disc brethren can, but here's what you CAN do"
gamerunknown Mar 14th 2010 7:11PM
IMO I think the only healing spec which has as much healing potential as a holy priest on the go is resto (druid). Even with the insane haste a pala has, with a snobold on their head, getting locked out of holy is a bish. Resto shaman are gimped without being allowed to chain heal at all. Disc priests lose out on the ability to stack up grace and divine aegis.
Holy priests on the other hand can top metres to their hearts content. PoM off cooldown? Go for it. Sudden melee damage? CoH it up. Tank taken a little hit? Empowered renew to top him off and with his armour and druid HoTs, move on to another raid member. Someone stood too long in the fire? Surge of light them up, with a little inspiration while we're at it. Tank let holy shield fall off? Guardian spirit him. Snobold whittled you down to half health while the other healers are talking about the new episode of Lost? Desperate prayer.
All the while running away from fire while under the effects of body and soul.
I know disc priests provide just as much on the go while raid bubbling, but yeah... That said, I love my disc spec. I finally turned the table on rogues and can beat them one on one with it, can heal heroics with it (in fact, I usually end up providing a little dps once the party is prebubbled), I'll even switch to it if there are 2 other holy priests in a ICC 25 PUG. Only thing is that I've been closed to being kicked because my hps is so low in disc (with 2 points in mana burn, mind), but IMO the utility is worth it.
Hivetyrant Mar 14th 2010 7:13PM
I find Disc makes me feel a more centre-stage and powerfull support player, and Holy makes me feel like like a backstage support player.
I tend to switch when I am in different moods, however I played Holy through both Vanilla WoW and BC (until WoTLK I had actually never even tried Disc as it used to be considered the "PvP"spec) but for a while I went solely Disc (Before dual talents) and loved it....at first.
I just found it didn't fit my healing play style, and while it was certainly powefull, I find myself always leaning towards spot healing, although it didn't help that all my gear was MP5 and not a huge ammount of SP so I wasn't an OP Disc like I am now.
I will never understand the hate between the two, they are different tree's and will/should always be for slightly different playstyles.
*Both are enjoyable
*Both are extremely powerfull in certain situations
*Both make us usefull
*Both require slight ammounts of thinking to play well (What I enjoy about healing)
flint Mar 14th 2010 7:28PM
It's times like these that I desperately wish for triple specs. Disc is my main healing spec, and Im pretty good with it, but I've been itching to try holy. I refuse to drop my shadow spec, cause now that my gear's not sucky, i can actually pull pretty decent dps, and it's a nice break from healing (and my raid does let me dps from time to time). I'd switch disc to holy, but I'm our guild's only disc priest, and I'm much more comfortable with disc.
Noselacri Mar 14th 2010 7:31PM
Dawn, I believe I have a crush on you.
It's a shame my arcane mage and your disc priest won't be the best of friends in the new patch. I would've liked that.
Dawn Moore Mar 15th 2010 6:44AM
I owe you a boyfriend aggro post.
Hoggersbud Mar 14th 2010 7:52PM
I honestly don't care what spec other priests are unless it's another disc in the same raid and then I want to be careful about who we shield. Otherwise?
Other than that, as long as you can pull your weight, it's all good.