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3-17-2010 @ 2:36PM
"The witch doctor Zalazane had been one of the tribe's leading mystical instructors when he was inexplicably driven to insanity by the powers under his control. "Wonderfully creative Blizzard. Yet ANOTHER person turned insane to give us a killable foe. From Illidan to Kael'thas to Malygos(okay he "went sane" or whatever), on down to someone small like Zalazane, they all go insane, and logically we must kill the insane. Blizzard is really giving the mentally ill a bad name.
3-17-2010 @ 2:38PM
To be fair though, they're only calling him insane years after he showed up as a bad guy. I'm just tired of Blizzard using the Insanity thing to justify bad people. Please don't downvote me!
3-17-2010 @ 2:47PM
I'm kind of tired of the "went insane" excuse as well. Can't we just go ahead and admit it? Bad people exist. There, I said it.
3-17-2010 @ 2:58PM
They could, but it would up the rating from Ok-for-kids to not-Ok-for-kids.
3-17-2010 @ 3:00PM
Demonizing the insane and mentally ill is okay for kids though? Seriously, the implications of "them going insane justifies killing them" has some bad messages between the lines.
3-17-2010 @ 3:04PM
Well, they make no excuse for Mekgineer Sicco Thermaplugg. He just wanted the powah! And anyway, he's a sicko. It says so right there in his name!
3-17-2010 @ 3:19PM
It is getting a bit old but its one of the best and oldest story components of all. Power Corrupts.It kind of makes sense when you think about all of these parasitic Old Gods and the Well of Eternity blowing up too.I mean, we are pretty much in the most chaotic and corrupted place in the whole great dark beyond. I would go a little nutzo too.
3-17-2010 @ 3:37PM
I think you're overshooting a bit with the whole "degrading the mentally ill" thing here. We aren't really killing these people for being insane, really, its what they did while insane. One could argue the entire race of trolls are just a tiny step away from insanity, yet we (Hordies, at least) don't kill the Darkspears or Raventusk because they don't do bad things. Illidan, Kael, Zalazane and Malygos did BAD things, like wage wars and kill people.The insanity thing just makes the killing of these memorable and significant characters (personally I LOVE Illidan) more justified and necessary, in the end. As much as you may love Illidan, he's insane now, so there's nothing to bring him back and stop him from hoarding angry demons and taking over Outland, so he has to be killed. The message here has never been "that guy is insane killz and lootz him!", there's always a kicker: "that guy is insane and trying bring a demon into Azeroth who would love nothing more than to enslave and burn us all".Archetypal-ly speaking: insanity has a connotation of unpredictability, recklessness, and irrationality. Those things are no big deal if you're a "harmless" fisherman in the Hinterlands, it becomes a big deal when you're the head of an entire flight of dragons in charge of managing magic.
3-17-2010 @ 3:46PM
IIRC, the quest dialog and the text in the manual have both been saying he was driven mad by the forces he unleashed, for as far back in the game as I can remember... It's not like the text on that page was some sort of new retcon or anything.I agree "driven insane" is an overused plot device, though, I don't feel like it's somehow making me think that all mentally-ill people are somehow demonized by a troll losing his sanity by tampering with forces he ought naught (I guess I might also be thinking of thos old "voodoo" movies, stories, etc.., any more than a "mad scientist," or "mad bomber," or "The Mad Hatter." Hell, one could probably argue it's more demonizing to the people that practice the religion that the troll's "voodoo" is based on, than mentally-ill people... Ultimately, though, they're just plot devices and character stereotypes in a videao game, and they are what they are, good or bad. But that's my two cents.
3-17-2010 @ 3:53PM
If Blizzard really were sending the message that everyone who's crazy needs to die, then my fellow gnomes and I would be in a lot of trouble.Frankly, just about everyone in the game seems to be suffering from some form of mental illness. (The NPC's aren't doing well either. (/rimshot).)Actually, the message seems to be: insane = you're okay; murderous and insane = your head is a quest item.Besides, there are plenty of non-insane bad guys: Arthas just let his rage and ego get the better of him, Guldan was simply an amoral powerhungry monster, and Yogg Saron (as well as all the other old gods) simply enjoys making lesser beings suffer.Even your examples are questionable: Illidan may have been insane, or may have just been trying to save his own hide from being munched on by demons. Malygos was fully aware of the damage he was causing; he just didn't care. Personally, I think the whole "he went crazy" thing is more how the characters that thought they knew these people rationalize how far they fell. It's a lot easier to tell yourself that someone who had been your friend went crazy then it is to accept that you were friends with someone who was always that evil but you just never noticed.
3-17-2010 @ 4:15PM
Though I've nothing to add to the "insane" debate, I must say the comments regarding it have been extremely interesting and enlightening - I very much enjoyed reading through them. Thank you. :)
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