The Daily Blues

Ancilorn? You're doing it right. You win at least ten internets, at least. Maybe even your own BlizzCon t-shirt.
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Ghostcrawler
Ghostcrawler -- AoE TankingHere are ways we could make AE tanking trivial. None of these are things we would actually do, though players have suggested some things dangerously close to them.
-- Challenging Shout has no cooldown. Everything is pretty much taunted to you the whole time.
-- You can tank everything by spamming Commanding Shout. (Back when say warriors tanked the pre-Nef adds, they could do it by spamming Battle or Demo Shout, which generated terrible threat but just enough to actually work on that encounter. Now it really won't work... but it could with the right numbers.)
-- Thunder Clap hits so freaking hard that you hit it once and never really have to again.
-- Thunder Clap puts a dot on everything (stronger than Deep Wounds) so that you hit it once and never really have to again.
-- Defensive Stance has an 8000% threat modifier.
Those ideas would all work if we wanted you to never lose threat. That's not the goal. On the other hand, the goal also is NOT:
-- Some tank classes just generate a lot more AE threat than others.
-- Some tank classes just AE tank a lot easier than others.
-- AE tanking gets harder and harder over time as dps specs gear up.
-- AE tanking is really, really challenging and you're at the constant risk of losing aggro.
-- Just for completeness, I'll add the original one above, which is that you never, ever lose threat no matter what.
What we like about the warrior AE tanking model that is worth extending to other classes without just duplicating the warrior abilities:
-- You hit more than one button.
-- You hit different buttons than you do when handling single targets.
-- You have to pay attention to crowd controlled targets.
-- You don't totally ignore your single-target abilities.
-- You might switch targets on some pulls.
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I'm not sure the answer is just to prevent Prot from using Seal of Command. We like sub-speccing to some extent. I think part of the problem is the way HoR and SoC interact, but that doesn't mean the solution has to be one of them dies in a fire.
-- Challenging Shout has no cooldown. Everything is pretty much taunted to you the whole time.
-- You can tank everything by spamming Commanding Shout. (Back when say warriors tanked the pre-Nef adds, they could do it by spamming Battle or Demo Shout, which generated terrible threat but just enough to actually work on that encounter. Now it really won't work... but it could with the right numbers.)
-- Thunder Clap hits so freaking hard that you hit it once and never really have to again.
-- Thunder Clap puts a dot on everything (stronger than Deep Wounds) so that you hit it once and never really have to again.
-- Defensive Stance has an 8000% threat modifier.
Those ideas would all work if we wanted you to never lose threat. That's not the goal. On the other hand, the goal also is NOT:
-- Some tank classes just generate a lot more AE threat than others.
-- Some tank classes just AE tank a lot easier than others.
-- AE tanking gets harder and harder over time as dps specs gear up.
-- AE tanking is really, really challenging and you're at the constant risk of losing aggro.
-- Just for completeness, I'll add the original one above, which is that you never, ever lose threat no matter what.
What we like about the warrior AE tanking model that is worth extending to other classes without just duplicating the warrior abilities:
-- You hit more than one button.
-- You hit different buttons than you do when handling single targets.
-- You have to pay attention to crowd controlled targets.
-- You don't totally ignore your single-target abilities.
-- You might switch targets on some pulls.
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I'm not sure the answer is just to prevent Prot from using Seal of Command. We like sub-speccing to some extent. I think part of the problem is the way HoR and SoC interact, but that doesn't mean the solution has to be one of them dies in a fire.
If you're talking best possible gear, we think BM is pretty close to Survival in 3.3.3. Marks is ahead, and that's largely a function of armor pen, but again you are talking about absolute best gear. If you aren't in Icecrown 25 hard modes, then gear is likely to have just as much effect on your damage as spec. Ideally, things are balanced at all levels between level 1 and 80 with BiS gear, but there are going to be a lot of points along the way where that's probably not true. We see Survival hunters beat Marks hunters all the time in what I would categorize as average (meaning not server first guilds but capable of progressing) raids. Hopefully we'll see some BM guys up there too, but it may take higher gear levels.
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I would be pretty surprised if guilds doing hard modes w/ access to lvl 80 BiS gear have hunters raiding as BM, or would be happy with a hunter choosing a spec that isn't min/max'd.
My suspicion is that the hunters with the gear you are describing will have a propensity to go Marks, because that currently yields the highest damage and raiders tend to play whatever does the highest damage. In a world without armor pen, that might not be the case (though I haven't done the math lately).
Nonetheless, it is also true today that Marks can beat Survival, and yet there are a lot of Survival hunters raiding. Our hope is that in 3.3.3 that there will be as many BM hunters as Survival raiding, which would be a really nice bump for BM. Maybe the estimates (ours and those I've read) about the boost BM is getting are overly optimistic. We'll see.
It's possible the Survival hunters are only going Survival for Replenishment, though all 3 hunters bring some pretty solid raid benefits these days.
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I would be pretty surprised if guilds doing hard modes w/ access to lvl 80 BiS gear have hunters raiding as BM, or would be happy with a hunter choosing a spec that isn't min/max'd.
My suspicion is that the hunters with the gear you are describing will have a propensity to go Marks, because that currently yields the highest damage and raiders tend to play whatever does the highest damage. In a world without armor pen, that might not be the case (though I haven't done the math lately).
Nonetheless, it is also true today that Marks can beat Survival, and yet there are a lot of Survival hunters raiding. Our hope is that in 3.3.3 that there will be as many BM hunters as Survival raiding, which would be a really nice bump for BM. Maybe the estimates (ours and those I've read) about the boost BM is getting are overly optimistic. We'll see.
It's possible the Survival hunters are only going Survival for Replenishment, though all 3 hunters bring some pretty solid raid benefits these days.
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We're always looking for new fan art and if you're an artist, you can submit your work to us here.
http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/community/fanart/rules.html
We update the Gallery regularly and encourage you to check regularly to see what new and talented submissions are on display.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Tito Mar 17th 2010 11:33PM
Ghostcrawler always does it right.
/cheer GC.
Cetha Mar 17th 2010 11:47PM
I was just checking out that fan art link. there's some pretty amazing stuff. worth a view if you, like me, had never looked at them before.
Oriflame Mar 18th 2010 12:17AM
Oh Ancilorn, and how schadenfreude I feel.
I know it sucks to get nerfed and I don't want to feel this way, but man I totally do.
Not talking about this guy either: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gnomeregan&cn=Schadenfreud
Oriflame Mar 18th 2010 12:19AM
man, wtb edit button. how *much* schadenfreude I feel.
I feel schadenfreude and shame. Oh typo shame, how you have no fancy word from Germany.
Rai Mar 18th 2010 12:34AM
Surely schadenfreude is the good feeling we get from watching you typo fail?
Sir7 Mar 18th 2010 2:04AM
no u nopb schadenfraude is tht vudeo on the internet w. the greman lady who gets pooped on duh
Dreyja Mar 18th 2010 4:47AM
Hell... schadenfreude gets a vote from me just for the name.
EXTRA points for the girl or boy that can define that word which is a whole phrase (in the least) in English. ;)
... they may be friends of Luther... just sayin'. ;)
MusedMoose Mar 18th 2010 7:46AM
@Dreyja: if I remember right, schadenfreude is basically the act of taking pleasure in another's pain and/or suffering. Granted, my degree's in English, not German, so I could be wrong. ^_^
kitsune Mar 18th 2010 8:29AM
it's also referenced/defined in a song by the same name in Avenue Q
Dreyja Mar 18th 2010 4:30PM
The MOOSE WINS! ;) (Moose always win!)
Taking pleasure in the misery of others... It is a splendid word. ;)
Boreddruid Mar 18th 2010 2:05AM
Just a heads-up. The Am I doing it right? post links back to the wow.com homepage.
Ametrine Mar 18th 2010 8:09AM
Clearly someone wasn't doing it right.
Dreyja Mar 18th 2010 4:44AM
I still love Ghostcrawler and may STILL wish to be the bearer of his progeny but... I wish I understood what he was saying there about BM and ICC 25 man gear.
I THINK I heard that the BM gap won't be filled unless we are getting the kind of drops we get from the 25 end game? Am I wrong there?
At the very least that gives me even more hope for cataclysm as a BM hunter. :)
/happy panda dance of hope... Crush if you wish. ;-p
MusedMoose Mar 18th 2010 7:48AM
That's what it seemed like GC was saying, and honestly, I'm a bit put off. My hunter is BM-specced, 'cause I couldn't see her as anything else, and I didn't know that BM was pretty much the worst endgame spec until she was already in her 70s. I really don't like the idea of BM only being competitive with the other two specs if my hunter's in absolutely top-of-the-line gear, which is something that won't happen - I'm not a raider, and I'd have to quit my job and dedicate myself to WoW full-time to even think of seeing ICC-25 before Cataclysm comes out.
Grr. Arg.
Shizukera Mar 18th 2010 8:30AM
For BM to compete in bleeding-edge content (ICC hardmodes), you'd need really kickass gear to make up for the fact that gear here tends to have a lot of armor pen on it, which is a particularly good stat for marks but not so much for BM; but at lower levels of progression BM is still competitive - at least, that's what I got from the statement (I would hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that).
Personally, I'm in emblem-purchased T9 gear and ICC-5 stuff, and I'm able to consistently match equally geared SV hunters in nonheroic normal-mode 10-mans. We're usually battling for #1 and #2 on the meters. (A marks hunter might kick both our butts, but I can't say since we don't have one in our group.) So in non-heroic normal modes, at least, you should be able to do fine, although admittedly it will be a bit more difficult than it was in BC. :)
(I like parentheses.)
QQinsider Mar 18th 2010 9:13AM
@Dreyja: Sorry to crush, but this is what has happened in every previous expansion;
1. In the first raid instance everyone complains that hunters are doing too much damage.
2. Hunters get nerfed. To the ground, baby.
3. Over the course of the rest of the expansion they slowly get buffed back up, until by the end they're top of the dps tree again.
4. A new expansion is annnounced.
5. Go to 1.
Artificial Mar 18th 2010 4:51PM
@MutedMoose: If you're not the kind of person who's likely to be in top tier gear, then don't sweat it. I'm a BM hunter and I'm frequently at the top or second in the DPS list when I'm doing heroics. This who number-crunching which spec is best game is a game for those who are going to be getting that top tier gear. For most of us, it really doesn't make that much difference. All three specs are more than viable for anything but the very bleeding edge of raiding.
Sir7 Mar 18th 2010 6:05AM
Wow. Hey guys, it's me. I just wanted to say that I really neither believe Rai is a nopb, nor that schadenfreude is a video of German ladies getting pooped on. Just to be safe.
Celess Mar 18th 2010 6:41AM
That's a strong win there from Ancilorn. Made me lol
Eli Mar 18th 2010 7:53AM
Oh man I can't wait til Frostheim (aka Brian Wood) snaps that discipline raiding BM hunters