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3-22-2010 @ 2:06PM
Given that these are people who're filling in for others who signed up - but who did not feel it necessary to attend - I would suggest extending the PuG a guild invite in addition to handing over the loot. If you down a boss with them and you all have a good experience with it then it's a great idea to have them as a regular rather than the folks who're sitting out after having signed up.
3-22-2010 @ 2:21PM
Totally this.If the PuG was pleasant to raid with and competent, then you should perhaps consider it a trial run and see if they would be interested in joining up.Also, the people who are no shows *must* be made aware that that kind of behaviour won't be tolerated and that they can't rely on raid invites in the future if they sign up for raids and stay away without notice...
3-22-2010 @ 2:24PM
Guilds who don't want to offer PUGs an equal chance at the loot get no sympathy from me. Either offer them an equal shot at the loot, or recruit more members so you don't need to PUG.Period. End. Those are your two choices.Last year, I'd been smashing my face against Archavon for some hunter loot...forever. We were down a DPS, and added a hunter PUG. Guess what dropped? Yeah. The loot I wanted. Guess which hunter won the roll? Yep. The other one. Guess who felt bad? You got it! I did. Guess who complained?Nobody.I saw the numbers. He'd out DPS'ed me and we'd finished a 25 man Archavon when we'd failed to on prior attempts. He was there, he pulled his weight, he deserved an equal shot at the loot.It sucked for me, but that was not his fault. I sent the obligatory grats and moved along. To do otherwise would be to fail at life.
3-22-2010 @ 3:15PM
If I got in as a pug and I was told upfront that my first run with them I would not be able to roll on anything unless no one else could use the item, I would accept that. If however I ended up making several attempts and wiping several times I would expect to be allowed to roll for anything that I could use.
3-22-2010 @ 5:27PM
I've been where Servetus was, too, and there's nothing you can do but accept your fate maturely and move on.One night last year, I was added as rogue DPS to a regular group that was doing ULD10 hardmodes. We were on the last phase of the Thorim fight when things went sideways -- our main healer went down and the other healer was nowhere near as good, so the death spiral began. Thorim had about 15% health when we lost the MT, and maybe 10% left when we lost the OT, our remaining heals, and some cloth DPS. With just a few DPS left standing, the raid leader called for a wipe on Vent, but the other rogue in the group began evasion tanking and somehow he managed to survive long enough for us to DPS Thorim down.Afterward, the Mjolnir Runestone dropped and the raid leader (who was also master looter) let the DPS/roll on it. I won the roll and was ecstatic -- but after reviewing recount and seeing that my DPS was a measly 3.3K and the other rogue was well over 5K, the RL said publicly that he felt the Runestone should go to the other rogue based on his performance, and would I agree to that? I didn't even really have to think about it... I acceded to the request because it was the right thing to do. We'd have wiped without him; he earned it. And the RL handled it well: no one felt ill-used, and everyone got to see the decision happen publicly. Sure, I regretted the loss of the trinket, but I'd rather get asked back to a regular group than be known as a selfish player. Thorim isn't going anywhere. :)
3-22-2010 @ 6:20PM
Paulio, while that may be considered admirable by some, this is not something I would want to make a habit of. Being The Nice Guy can make you feel all warm and fuzzy once or twice, but after a while you will get burned. If there are people that know you will do this, many of those same people will take advantage of that fact and make sure you feel in a position to give up loot that is rightfully yours.Some people say that The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth; it's more accurate to say that The Meek Shall Inherit the Leftovers...
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