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3-24-2010 @ 3:47PM
I actually have a question about all this, not a comment lol.My fiance and I are currently bg lvling rogues as subtlety. We are going with sword MH, dagger OH because we aren't really using dagger based abilities. Basically, we are keeping people stun locked and using GS and hemo, ending in Evis and they are pretty much dead by the end of it. I never see anyone doing a similar thing though....Our reasoning is that we are sub, we are built for one on one, we pick our target and stun lock them til death, and then we restealth, rinse and repeat.I feel like we should reevaluate though to ensure we are doing the right thing with all these changes.I don't see much about our style, though it works extremely well for us at the moment. If we pick to kill someone, then they get killed lol. Also, we usually top damage. Maybe it is just that what we are doing is good now, and won't be at 80. It has to be because it works so well. Does it sound like I'm missing something?
3-24-2010 @ 4:02PM
Nope, from the standpoint of somebody who doesn't play rogue, that's pretty much the size of it. You show up from nowhere, and I stand there stunned until I'm dead. It's why I don't really PvP anymore.
3-24-2010 @ 4:26PM
I generally dont team up w/ other rogues for pvp ownage, but it seems to me like the 10 secs of stun (CS and KS) w/ 2 rogues on a guy is ample time at any level to kill a guy. Plus, eventually diminishing returns get in the way. What I would do is have one person on stuns, and the other using Ambush/Burst moves. Also, hemo stinks. its debuff would likely not be completely used, so it isnt doing the most damage it can (though again, i have not done this). Since the patch, hemo now does more damage w/ daggers, so there really isnt any good reason not to use one unless you have a far superior other wep. One hemo for the debuff (which might go away when its shared) may work, but backstab has some pretty nice burst. Another advantage to daggers is that you can vanish->Ambush for even more burst :)Because i dont want to reply again to the whole post right after this, i also want to point out (not to Luci in particular) that IF you use a sub build in PvE because fun > DPS and you raid casually, Rupture is very good. Not only does it do more damage w/ serrated blades, but it also gives CP from HaT. (assuming your group isnt giving you the crits you need)
3-24-2010 @ 4:46PM
Oh I didn't mean that we always necessarily double-team one person. I still using my current strategy kill by myself with ease. I just have this nagging feeling about it....I'm about to reach the end of the sub tree and shadowdance doesn't really fit in with my current rotation well, so I imagine that it might be time for me to consider doing more than what I am now. Using stuff like ambush doesn't seem to work more effectively than just stun-locking. My PvE lvling spec is assassination and when I compare the energy regen and combo point generation speeds to sub, sub falls horribly short. I love the pvp tools of sub though. At this point, it is really the question of dropping my MH wep to daggers that I can't seem to decide on. It would help make shadowdance more viable I guess, but it doesn't even seem necessary in my current rotation.
3-24-2010 @ 4:51PM
@LuciNot really missing anything. The changes make it so a dagger can be used in your MH without losing all of the dps you are getting from a slower MH. Also, having the dagger in your MH means you can open with Ambush, followed by Hemo or Backstab, and then Evis. You are actually able to two- or three-shot targets this way, even in battlegrounds.Personally, I love the toys in Sub for lvling and PVP. I will have a hard time when I have to swap to Assassination.
3-24-2010 @ 5:09PM
Yeah, I usually open with Cheap Shot to play it safe since I can usually get them quickly with that anyway. When I get shadowdance I might play around with Ambush since I already have 2 daggers for my PvE spec.
3-24-2010 @ 6:20PM
I might not be the best rogue, but I actually skipped Shadowdance and started picking up Assassination talents and some other Subtlety ones. They worked better for my lvling and I don't usually need something like Shadowdance in the battlegrounds.I don't know if it's giving me a giant advantage, but I've been rolling with the BtA chest, shoulders, daggers and bow since lvl 19 (only lvl 61 now, and thinking I might get NR gear to replace them for 68-70 since they can get better encs).
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