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3-26-2010 @ 5:57PM
You're basically making my point for me. Copernicus was a Christian. There was no religious implication to the relationship between the Sun and the Earth. Sure the Church latched on to certain aspects of an Earth-centric system, but changing it had no effect on the religion. There was scientific evidence suggesting heliocentrism and the religion adopted it. (There's always people for which change is hard, but for the most part it was a nonevent. I've never heard of a mass exodus from religion due to heliocentrism. That's a pretty lol reason to change religion.) This is a proper relationship between the religion and science. Religion tells us about ourselves and our relationship to God. Science tells us about ourselves and our relationship to God's creation. Studying the creation doesn't tell us anything about God except indirectly. (Sorry about using the G-word. I'm sure you find it offensive.)Some scientific theories can be repeated and proven. Are those really the ones you're talking about here? I doubt it. It is exactly the type of talking-down in your first paragraph that led to my first response. If your going to put your trust in theories by scientists, that's your prerogative, but don't fool yourself into thinking they've experimentally tested origins and that it repeatable and proven. I trust my senses, and your theories look, taste, and smell bad.
3-26-2010 @ 9:18PM
Shadowcaster, you might want to do a little reading on Galileo. He very narrowly avoided being burned at the stake by the Inquisition, but Giordano Bruno was not so lucky. Bruno not only stated that the Earth revolved around the Sun, but he also "identif[ied] the sun as just one of an infinite number of independently moving heavenly bodies" and was "the first man to have conceptualized the universe as a continuum where the stars we see at night are identical in nature to the Sun". If you think "there was no religious implication to the relationship between the Sun and the Earth", then why did the Inquisition whip out the hot pokers every time someone suggested anything contrary to the Bible?
3-26-2010 @ 9:29PM
...and if you think Catholicism finally realized the error of its ways, just ten years ago, "on the 400th anniversary of Bruno's death, Cardinal Angelo Sodano declared Bruno's death to be a 'sad episode'. Despite his regret, he defended Bruno's persecutors, maintaining that the Inquisitors 'had the desire to preserve freedom and promote the common good and did everything possible to save his life' by trying to make him recant".What a guy.
3-27-2010 @ 8:43AM
I'm not sure what you're getting so worked up about Shadowchaser. Science is such a broad field. Take for example Modern Medicine Vs Alternative Medicine. Or the Laws of Physics vs The Laws of your God. Modern Medicine may not cure people 100% of the time but there is a certain success rate. Alternative Medicine often show no improvement over a placebo from peer reviewed studies. The Laws of Physics can be shown to work near 100% of the time. The Laws of your God or whatever you believe can't be proved through human senses.
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