Know Your Lore: Current Horde politics - the Orcs, page 3

An orc with no idea what his people were, no idea how to speak orcish, no idea what it meant to be an orc, was then captured and shuttled into an internment camp with the rest of his 'kind'. Note the quotes. What happens next? Thrall sees people just like him, captured and enslaved just like he had been -- but for some strange reason, curiously lacking the desire to escape that he possessed. What was wrong with these people? He was told of an orc that had eluded the humans and their imprisonment, Grom Hellscream -- an orc who lived with the same lethargy of the orcs in the camps, but instead of submitting to it, fought it each and every day.
So he sought out Grom Hellscream, and convinced him that it wasn't good enough that Hellscream fought the lethargy alone -- that the orcs needed to be freed, to be shown that there was a better life out there. But why exactly did Thrall do this? What was the motivation for an orc raised by humans to do something for a group of individuals he knew little to nothing about? Thrall was taught to read, yes -- but the books he was presented were human history, not orc history. The humans knew very little of orcs, as demonstrated by Blackmoore's lack of understanding that any baby, even an orc baby, needs milk to survive.

Nobody argued when Doomhammer made Thrall second in command -- Thrall was the only orc showing any kind of initiative at the time. He sought out Hellscream, he sought out the Frostwolf, and that drew the attention of Doomhammer. Nobody argued when Thrall was made Warchief, either. It can be argued that the very characteristics that make Thrall so human, the compassion, the wisdom, the intelligence, were what drove the orcs to rally behind the new Warchief. Barely twenty, twenty-one when the Horde moved to Kalimdor. Incredibly young, for an orc -- but the rest of the Horde followed him, because he led the way, and because the alternative was going back to enslavement or possible execution at the hands of the Alliance.
Over the course of the next seven years, the blind devotion that the orcs of the internment camps demonstrated slowly began to wane. Their Warchief has done what, to the eyes of an orc, is inconceivable -- suggested that they ally with the very people that he freed them from. What sense is there, in the eyes of an orc that has seen countless battles with the Alliance, seen hundreds upon hundreds of their fellow warriors slain by the humans, spent years imprisoned by those very same humans, in turning around and allying with the very people that had been their enemy for so long?

This is where Thrall made his second mistake -- in assuming that the ancient orcs of Draenor were peaceful, spiritual people with little interest in needless bloodshed. What Thrall didn't, and couldn't know was that his people were initially the primitive sort that while peaceful, followed the ways of brute strength and shows of dominance to establish superiority. He couldn't know this because humans raised him -- he had no idea what the original orc race was like.
Enter Garrosh Hellscream, the uncorrupted son of Thrall's best friend, mentor, and brother of the heart. Garrosh, to Thrall, was everything that Grom could have been had he not taken that first drink of Mannoroth's blood. Brown-skinned and the leader of a somewhat gentle group of native orcs, Garrosh was older than Thrall, but at the same time younger in so many ways -- as he'd lived the entirety of his life in Nagrand and was largely unaware of Azeroth's existence, or the existence of Thrall and the new Horde. Garrosh was convinced he was doomed to repeat the failures of his father, a father that had abandoned him in Nagrand and never returned, and a father that had carelessly damned their entire race to servitude.
This is where Thrall made his third, and worst mistake of all -- he told Garrosh that his father was a hero, but that wasn't the crux of his error. He saw in Garrosh the potential of an uncorrupted Grom, and brought him back to Azeroth. That was the worst possible thing he could've done. To Thrall, Garrosh would be an example to his people -- an orc uncorrupted by the fel taint that had plagued the orc race for so long, an orc with the strength of his father, but lacking the savage bloodthirst that the Blood of Mannoroth had granted his father. Garrosh was suddenly a stranger in a strange land, surrounded by the green-skinned descendants that his father had freed. His father, the hero. His father, the leader. And Garrosh was faced with the daunting task of living up to his father's heroic reputation, something that he leapt upon with zest.

Not only that, but Thrall refused to place Garrosh in any kind of leadership role. Garrosh was designated as an advisor, nothing more -- and Garrosh's bloodline, the bloodline of Hellscream yearned for more. Grom was not bent on power because of the Blood Pact; he took the Blood Pact because he desired power. Garrosh is very much his father's son, and bent on obtaining power wherever he can get it.
The orcs of the internment camps, the original orcs that Thrall led to freedom, are left with two potential leaders that they are looking at: Thrall, a young orc raised by humans with odd, foreign ideas of peace and diplomacy that seem almost suspiciously human... or Garrosh, brought from Draenor and representing everything the orc race could have been had they not taken that pact with Mannoroth. Garrosh, an orc that knew that the best way to show another orc you were stronger was to beat them over the head until they gave in. Garrosh, an orc that doesn't tout silly ideals about allying with old enemies, but speaks instead of war, brutality, savagery, the very things that make an orc's heart sing.
This is where the player base comes in. The Horde players of World of Warcraft, and the players of Warcraft III were introduced to Thrall as the idea of the 'noble savage'. Thrall was introduced as a character that players could relate to, a way to make the Horde less 'evil' and more sympathetic in the eyes of the people playing the game. While you can simply play through Warcraft III as a complete game and watch the story of Thrall and the Horde from beginning to end, with World of Warcraft, the story is evolving around those very players -- and they have a much more intimate influence and connection with the characters in WoW than they ever did with WC3. The idea and concept of Thrall was a wild success, and embraced so thoroughly that players tend to forget where the orcs originally came from, and what they are at heart.

The orcs of the Horde are walking a very, very thin line, one that narrows with each passing day. While players protest that Thrall is a good Warchief, and Garrosh a terrible choice as a potential new leader, what they fail to realize is that yes, Thrall is a good person with good ideals, but these are not the sort of ideals an orc usually carries. Garrosh on the other hand represents everything that an orc should be, to an orc. Do I believe that Garrosh would be a good Warchief? From the standpoint of a player, a human being, oh heck no he'd be about the worst choice possible. But this is, again, from the standpoint of a player and a human being -- not the standpoint of an orc.
What the orcs face in upcoming months and in the new expansion is utter and complete civil war, with the players stuck in the middle to watch the events as they unfold. Whether Thrall admits defeat at the hands of Garrosh, or beats Hellscream's hide and settles back into his mission of peace is still unknown -- but the orcs are not going to have an easy time in Cataclysm, and they aren't the only ones affected by civil unrest. Take a look at the current political situation for the blood elves, forsaken, tauren and trolls for some further insight.






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 11)
Taytayflan Mar 27th 2010 8:26PM
Actually, that makes a lot of sense for Garrosh to be favored by the orcs as Warchief.
Dah Mar 27th 2010 10:09PM
Maybe...but what about Saurfang? From everything I understand, Saurfang is an old school orc through and through. Sure, his family lineage isn't as big as Hellscream, but he seems to follow Thrall's ideals pretty closely even though he didn't have the same domesticated ubringing.
Methuus Mar 27th 2010 11:06PM
From what little we have in the game, it doesn't look like Saurfang wants to be warchief. He prefers to just be an advisor. There isn't a lot ingame to help us understand why; perhaps it's just that he's older.
Now, if not for some unfortunate incidents, Saurfang the Younger might have one day been warchief.
Elmouth Mar 28th 2010 12:19AM
What I'm very curious about is, will Saurfang try to kill Garrosh when he'll seize power in cataclysm.
And yea, Garrosh is tailor-made to be an average Orc Warchief, you know, the kind that made them lose every goddamnw ar they've been in and sent them to the internm,ent camps in the first place.
With garrosh at the head of the horde unchecked (Thrall away, Saurfang MIA, Cairne murdered) sure they'll win the early battles, but overtime, when startegy starts kicking in, the alliance will pwn their face just like they did decades ago.
Hollow Leviathan Mar 28th 2010 6:14AM
The Orcs definitely won the First War, and arguably the Third War, and utterly obliterated all of their opposition on Draenor. They're 2 for 1 on Azeroth, which is the second world they've decided to conquer. So yeah, their war record is not bad.
Nor do they not understand long-term strategy, several missions in Warcraft 1+2 are to establish supply chains and control resources. The Orcish Horde is not mindless, just brutish and cruel.
Rmschoir Mar 28th 2010 1:42PM
"Lost every [war] they've been in?"
The Draenei and the humans of Stormwind might disagree with you on that one.
mrdragonfell Mar 28th 2010 3:20PM
You know what gets me is the whole alliance vs horde good vs evil arguments. As an extensive player on both sides it seems to me that the horde are either tribal down to earth sruvivers of tragedy after tragedy and that alliance are the direct cause of almost all the bad and evil in the world hell ally first real quest chain is to murder robin hood.
The other perspective to hold tight to is that the warchief doesnt just lead the orcs he leads all of the tauren, forsaken, trollses, and blood elfs respectivly so what the warchief is and has to be has changed.
While hellscream may in the eye's of the orcs be looking like an awsome leader right now in the grand scheme of things the horde in general is not likley to betray thrall a leader of superior politics who brought them together in the first place.
I think the only chance that hellscream has in taking over in warchief is if thrall has deliberatly set him up in that roll to free himself to perform some speciall task without the entire eye's of all the horde races upon him (i.e. throwing the fight with garrosh).
No doubt garrosh will rush off then to the next great conflict of cataclysm being used as a brunt instrument by thrall he would either be used and killed as a distraction or suffer a very humbling experience bringing him in line with thralls ideals, this would then put thrall into a position of freedom where he would most likley be able to make major advancments in the inter relations of the alliance and horde!
Joey2250 Mar 28th 2010 8:27PM
@Rmschoir & @Hollow Leviathan True their record may not be bad, but also remember they were not calling the shots and pulling the strings in those battles, it was the Burning Legion. And more specifically Kil'jaeden, who is superbly cunning. It wasn't until the Horde started making strategic decisions for themselves, and individuals trying to seize more power for themselves that the whole thing started falling apart on them.
So I agree with Taytayflan, if they want to revert to that strategy then they will most likely fail again unless some higher cunning power directs their strategy, possibly a dark colored dragon maybe. Of course that would never happen but it would be cool if it did. :)
Leviathon Mar 27th 2010 8:36PM
I like how you mentioned Garrosh being older than Thrall. Most people probably don't even realize that :p
Jamie Mar 28th 2010 12:10AM
True, but what this article didn't write up was Basic Campfire is older than any Orc.
I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself...
Possum Mar 28th 2010 1:14AM
I totally didn't realise this either.
Joey2250 Mar 28th 2010 8:29PM
Abasik Campfire for Warchief!
Valdorin Mar 27th 2010 8:39PM
Great writeup. Can't wait to see some of the other races politcs laid out like this
Catacomb Kid Mar 28th 2010 1:07AM
Yes. I would like to throw my minor weight behind Vally. It's cool if I call you Vally, right?
=P
Really though, very interesting write-up, really did a lot to help my understand these events from a psychological perspective. You did a really cool job of getting into Thrall's mind and explaining his decisions that way. Thanks for the article!
Snuzzle Mar 28th 2010 11:20AM
Definitely! My choice to play Horde was most certainly influenced by my respect for Thrall -- even when I play Alliance I respect Thrall. However, your article has shown him in a new light to me, and now Garrosh's extreme distaste for Thrall makes sense. Oh, I still hate Garrosh, but at least now I understand more of where he's coming from.
More like this please!~ I'd like to humbly request a writeup on Cairne Bloodhoof before, um, any of the rumors about him come true :(
windstalker668 Mar 28th 2010 2:00PM
I agree that this is an amazing article and view on the whole "Thrall v. Garrosh" argument. I think a lot of players forget that we are not playing humans and human like races. While the Alliance races all have very similar ideals and ways of life* , the Horde races are all seeking something different and have very different ways of achieving their goals. Each race on the Horde comes with a unique mind set, Orcs are spiritual or blood thirsty, Trolls are relaxed but contain wicked emotions, Forsaken are uncaring, unloving, and want whats theirs, Tauren are peaceful but aggressive fighters that want to live a simple existence, and Blood Elves are intelligent and want their lives back to what they once were and will do anything to get itt. When you play a Horde character you need to realize that they don't feel the same way average humans do, they react and want different things. Where a human/dwarf/night elf may want to find peace a Forsaken might want to rip out their enemies throats and a Blood Elf might want to drain their essence and savor in the vengeance. You have to get into your character more than simply "I am an Orc because I have green skin," or "I am undead and eat corpses LOLZ!!11!1!!2"
Play your race to their fullest, this is a roleplaying game after all, savor the emotions that come with your chosen race. In essence if I played an Orc, maybe I wouldn't be too upset about Garrosh coming to power and I might want the Blood Elves out of my city, but I play a Blood Elf and look at this new change as just another distraction that hinders my goals. Even as a Blood Elf** I don't like Thrall all the time, I blame the Alliance for a lot of the problems in our world and want little to do with the Alliance as a whole.
*(sure they aren't identical, but lets face it, there is almost no infighting among the Alliance and all the races almost completely submit to one leader, which is really boring and one of the reasons I don't play Alliance. "We all look different, but our races all want the same thing brought about the same way so in actuality we are the same race just skinned differently!")
**Sure my character might be a pretty boy, but I love the depressing story and history the Blood Elves come from. I like to think Blood Elves have little remorse and pity, they don't suffer those human weaknesses. I like playing a character that loves his people and his people alone, everyone else is just a stepping stone. Keep in mind I am absolutely nothing like that in real life, this is just a game and I want to be something else sometimes :P
Sam Mar 27th 2010 8:41PM
Awesome summary. Can't wait to see how it all plays out in cata.
Stella Mar 27th 2010 8:44PM
I don't agree with you completely. Varok Saurfang and Reahgar Earthfury are both "proper" orcs and they agree with Thrall's viewpoint.
Ilmyrn Mar 27th 2010 8:49PM
True, but they're also orcs that saw the horrors of the First, Second, and Third Wars firsthand, and were under the influence of Mannaroth's blood. Here comes Garrosh now preaching that same aggression and violence and without having the demonic bloodlust, it's basically vindicating the orcs: "See, you may have been under the control of demons, but the violence is still GOOD. It's natural and you should embrace it." Whether it's remnants of the old bloodlust or anger at being imprisoned in prison camps (Instead of being executed for killing millions, mind you), or whatever, Garrosh promises that all their most violent impulses aren't just neutral, they're good for orcs to feel and indulge.
Methuus Mar 27th 2010 11:10PM
Certainly, there is no question that there are many orcs who agree with Thrall's methods. The question is, are these orcs in the majority in the new Horde?
I don't think the author was saying that all Horde orcs think like Garrosh. Just that most do.