When you have an enchanter in your party, getting drops in a dungeon can be sort of an autopilot thing: you hit the
disenchant button and move on. Reader Akwihahlo actually sort of has a beef we this. As he points out, the Dream Shards you get from disenchanting a blue BoE on most servers only go for around 5-10 gold a piece, assuming you can sell them at all. In the meantime, the blue might go for more on the auction house to a player still looking to gear up for dungeon runs, or it might just plain vendor for more than you could get from the dream shard. With the new functionality that automatically shows sell prices in the tool tips of all items, it's even easier to tell when an item is lucrative as "vendor trash."
For my part, I tend to be the type to greed lucrative-looking BoEs (or even BoPs with very high vendor values), but I don't sweat it if others do. For some people, it's not so much stretching your gold as getting the run over with so you can get to those 2 extra emblems at the end. What's your method? Do you consider the pros and cons before you hit the disenchant button, or do you prefer to just hit it and get on with the run?
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 5)
Nadia Mar 28th 2010 9:22AM
With the Cross-Server LFG, and the fact that AH prices vary so much between servers, it can be very hard to come to an agreement about whether to click Disenchant or not.
I run into people all the time who say Dream Shards only sell for a gold or two on their server, while they sell for 15-20 on mine. The BoE items sell for about 10g on my server.
In a group of people just from my server, they always get Disenchanted unless there's an undergeared person along who needs them.
Suinimtao Mar 28th 2010 9:24AM
Greed on BoE, drop em' in the guild bank if an alt can't use them, one of my guildies might be able to.
themightysven Mar 28th 2010 9:26AM
the economy on my main server is dreadful, vendoring most items is the best option. (also some trade goods) on my new server I'm leveling as a tailor, so I'll be de-ing those green armour drops in outland/northrend for mats thank you.
Gracandrea Mar 28th 2010 9:47AM
If I can use it for my tanking set I need -- if it's a boe that I KNOW a guildmate will use I will greed -- if there's an enchanter then sometimes I greed sometimes I d/e and sometimes I just feel like I do it randomly.
Most of the time I run with at least a few guildees and we put a lot of enchanting mats in our guild bank for our guild enchanters to use on our gear
Henrah Mar 28th 2010 9:50AM
I greed everything.
Being an Enchanter myself, I can then decide later whether it's worth Disenchanting or Vendoring.
AishaLove Mar 28th 2010 11:00AM
I find if I want anything to disenchant after a dungeon I need to roll greed, that's just plain fact, cause if I don't I get nothing.
Chmee Mar 28th 2010 10:05AM
Maybe I don't understand how this works. It seems to me that whether a roll is "greed" or disenchant" is irrelevant. What happens to the item is determined by who gets it, not by what he wants to do with it. IOW, afaik, "greed" and "disenchant" rolls have the same priority. If two people roll on something, one "greed" and one "disenchant", then whoever rolls higher gets it, and *then* it's disenchanted if that's what he selected. So who cares what other people pick? Or do I have it wrong?
Akwihahlo Mar 28th 2010 1:35PM
Well, I suggested this less as a "Grrr, this makes me mad!" type topic, and more as a "Hey, heads up guys, you might be losing money!" type topic. Overall, I just cringe every time I see somebody disenchant the BoE OR BoP blues whose vendor value seems to outweigh the going price of shards.
ducss750 Mar 28th 2010 5:40PM
Actually, it DOES matter. I have occasionally actually have run dungeons for...(*gasp*) drops. If I don't win a roll, by the time I offer to buy what dropped its already been de'd. I don't stress over it and I understand it's easier to carry a stack of shards then fill a bag with blues/greens. To be more efficient and not have to waste time de'ing on your own or ah'ing your drops is the new standard.
Randoms have changed the texture of the game. Randoms are run round-robin, the new face of grinding for those who are no longer leveling. Runs for emblems for gear for runs for more emblems for more gear....for more runs
MusedMoose Mar 28th 2010 10:18AM
I have to agree with Chmee on this - why does the person who suggested this topic *care* what others do when the need/greed/disenchant window comes up? If someone wants to DE something instead of greeding it sell it later, why does it matter? It doesn't affect anyone else in the party, and it's impossible to know how mats are selling on someone else's server unless you have characters on their server too. Mats that sell on your server for 2g might sell for 20g on theirs.
Sheesh. Unless someone's being a dick and Needing every BoE because they want to sell or DE it, it doesn't matter how they roll.
L Mar 28th 2010 11:57AM
She/he is right about greed and DE being equal priority. I think that the point of this article was not to strategically plan rolls but simple curiosity as to what others do.
adyuaa Mar 28th 2010 12:08PM
If I'm running with a non-clothie caster who I know is gearing up, it's painful to see gear they could have used get disenchanted. Most people would trade it to the druid/shammy/holy pally willingly, but it's already too late by the time they ask.
I know in about seven months, cloth won't be so good any more. But cloth now could make it easier to get the genuine mail. WTB delay on destroying the item!
eenersumbrella Mar 28th 2010 10:19AM
BoE blues don't sell on my server, unless they're 70 and below. What's the point in buying a BoE blue that you're going to replace in a few heroic runs after you get the badges to buy the 232 stuff?
biohazard Mar 28th 2010 2:03PM
exactly! the thing is with epics dropping so fast and in retardedly high amounts, a blue has no reason to be needed when you normally can outfit in epics within a small amount of dungeon runs
danawhitaker Mar 28th 2010 10:20AM
I wish they'd remove the DE option entirely from BOE items. It drives me nuts. I've yet to get a level 80 green, blue, or epic that I was unable to sell in the AH within 1-2 tries. I'm aware of the fact that someone who wins the greed roll might shard it right there, or might send it to an alt to shard after the run. But for some reason, seeing it DE'd in front of me drives me insane. I'd love if they made BOE items share the same system that Frozen Orbs do now - no needing allowed. And no DE. People can always seek out an enchanter on their own server after the run if they're really that intent on DEing it. That way, enchanters still get a bit of a market on their skills, since people can't DE BOEs without them and keep the mats to sell on the AH and undercut the enchanter.
Snuzzle Mar 28th 2010 10:34AM
No Needing? So, if a blue BoE drops that my character could actually use as an upgrade, I have to pray and get lucky? Especially since you can't trade world drops cross server. No thanks.
danawhitaker Mar 28th 2010 11:38AM
If you need-rolled a BOE in any group my guild runs, you'd be vote-kicked. BOE != need, where I come from. BOP and needing is fine, as no one else can use it, and most people aren't ballsy enough to need roll a BOP item that they can't use to just get the vend cost. The only BOE items I don't mind people needing on are tradeskill recipes, priority going first to any crafter of the appropriate profession in the instance, and then for anyone's alts. But gear? No. Sorry. The "need" aspect for BOE gear is so ubiquitous (I need gold, I need to upgrade my alt, my guildie needs an upgrade, etc) that it should just be greed for everyone involved.
Rialle Mar 28th 2010 1:40PM
So you'd vote-kick someone who needs a BoE that is actually an upgrade for the toon they are playing at the time? I know epics are pretty easy to get now, but there are a few BoE items out there that are decent enough for a new 80 until they get a better piece in place. Not everyone has the time to chain run enough heroics to get full T9 in a few days.
And seriously, you get that worked up over the 10-50g a BoE blue is worth (most are worth the short end nowadays) on the AH? Go do some dailies.
biohazard Mar 28th 2010 2:01PM
"So you'd vote-kick someone who needs a BoE that is actually an upgrade for the toon they are playing at the time?..."
umm, yeah, we do VK people like that for the simple reason most "needing" on a BOE is so they can sell it, ive yet to see a random pug member need on a BOE and use it. hell we've had pug members need a boe and drop group. you have to remember, not all servers/battlegroups have the most honest people playing. there are some that would /need candy from a baby if they could
"I know epics are pretty easy to get now, but there are a few BoE items out there that are decent enough for a new 80 until they get a better piece in place."
i gotta disagree with you, most heroics and whatnot drop gear so fast that getting a BOE at 80 (thats not epic) is kinda worthless (unless you are doing PVP and get your class armor set to use, but that is crafted).
"Not everyone has the time to chain run enough heroics to get full T9 in a few days."
gotta disagree again, i had a BRAND new 80, i had 3 pieces of tier 9 in.....2 days, and i wasnt running anything too hard core seeing i had OTHER 80s that had priority in frost badges
"And seriously, you get that worked up over the 10-50g a BoE blue is worth (most are worth the short end nowadays) on the AH? Go do some dailies."
10-50g that you didnt have a shot on. that does add up, give it a little thought
danawhitaker Mar 28th 2010 3:35PM
@Rialle
I *do* dailies. I've had enough gold to buy a chopper, the vendor mammoth, the other three passenger mammoth, get the hundred mount achievement, and buy enough primordial saronite without wasting my frost badges on it to get a piece of ilevel 264 crafted gear, as well as many of the rare in-game drop pets such as the Hyacinth Macaw. I don't chain run heroics all day either, far from it. I have a child, I have limited play time, I usually run one instance a night and raid lightly on weekends. I get upset with the fact that the people needing on BOEs are usually liars, they don't use them, they turn around and sell them or funnel them off to an alt or guildie. Why should they need roll on them for those reasons but expect no one else to? By that logic, everyone should need roll the BOEs. In fact, we might start making that part of our guild-majority runs, thanks for the idea. I'm tired of people who feel entitled to BOE gear simply because it drops when everyone has an equal chance to use it somehow.
The reverse logic is also true. If it's such an upgrade for you, why wouldn't you go to the auction house and pay the 10-50g for it? That's certainly more expedient than hoping something will drop. There's also a lot of Ulduar and TOC crafted gear that's better than many of the BOEs that drop.
Don't forget the mother of all BOE drops, the Battered Hilt, which is worth a lot more than 10-50g. There were several people on my server who ninja'd it and then auctioned it off, under the premise they were going to actually use the weapon. Or, any of the ICC BOE drops. There are several I'd love to get my hands on, like the Ring of Rotting Sinew, but I wouldn't dream of need rolling on that, and most raids wouldn't even give someone the chance because it would already be on master loot and up for roll by the general raid. I've never been in a raid where BOE dropped and need rolling was allowed. I prefer a standard policy when it comes to that stuff, because the people pulling it on low-end items that aren't worth much in heroics are the ones who will try and do it on high-end items in a raid.