PvZ, Hardcore: Frost vs. fire 101

We're going back to the basics this week, fellow Lawn Elitists, and we're going to let the noobs in on some of our secrets. So I'm jumping on the 101 bandwagon here at PvZ insider, and we'll rehash the old frost vs. fire debate. Don't skip this column, however, because a refresher course may be just what you need to beat your Survival Endless score.
Frost 101
The prevailing theory with the frost build is that you slow the zombie down to give you more time to DPS and shore up your defenses. This is an excellent strategy, as long as you know your plants:
- Snowpea: The Snowpea costs 175 sun and fires one frozen pea at the target, slowing down both his movement and his attack. Snowpeas do not stack, so don't put more than one in a row.
- Wintermelon: This is an upgrade that must be purchased from Crazy Dave. In game, you upgrade Melonpults with these and they cost 200 sun. Like Melonpults, they damage groups of zombies, but they also slow these groups like Snowpeas.
- Kernelpult: Technically, when the Kernelpult turns zombies into temporary butterheads, this is a root and not frost-related. But since they cost 100 sun, they are a cheap way to slow the zombies' movement down.
Fire 101With the Torchwood plant, your peas (and peas only) become fireballs that do twice as much damage and hit zombies that are close to the target. If you set up your plants correctly, the zombies will rarely make it past the first column, except in the huge waves. Here are the plants that will make fireballs when placed to the left of Torchwoods:
- Peashooter: Cheap at 100 sun with a pretty quick refresh, this is the first thing to plant until you are able to replace it with something better later.
- Splitpea: Only use this if there are Diggers in your level and you are not using Magnetshrooms and/or Cattails.
- Repeater: At 200, these are expensive, but twice the fireballs and can be upgraded.
- Gatling Pea: A great upgrade for Repeaters that shoot four peas.
- Threepeater: This is the best plant for fire spec as it shoots a pea down each row. 325 sun is expensive, but well worth it for the overlapping fireball action.
Frostfire 101
You can frost your
Don't use Snowpeas.
When Snowpeas pass through a Torchwood, they turn into regular peas. They don't keep any of their slowing abilities, nor do they turn into fireballs. It is best to use the Wintermelon upgrade on Melonpults, even with the added expense of using upgrades in Survival Endless. You'll get all the slowing ability of Snowpeas, but as an AoE attack, and still be able to firebomb the zombies. The only issue that may arise for noobs trying the frostfire spec is not having enough sun. So here's a pro tip: always plant two columns of sunflowers.
Next week, I will give you an in-depth analysis of the Bobsled Bonanza minigame, complete with a foolproof strategy for winning consistently. Until then, remember, we don't want zombies on our lawn.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Rodrigo Apr 1st 2010 7:17PM
Finally, some rock-solid theory-crafting on games that matter! Thanks, PVZ-Insider!
Azizrael Apr 1st 2010 7:19PM
Damnit, I'm trying to kick my addiction to this game!
I hate stage four. Stupid fog and underground zombies...
I play with two different accounts and have maxed out the gold and the trees on both.
Robin Torres Apr 1st 2010 7:27PM
Once you get a cattail down, though, the fog levels are cake. The roof is my least favorite because no kitties and no spikeweeds!
Azizrael Apr 1st 2010 7:56PM
The roof is a cakewalk except for the midpoint with the bungees.
I work to this pattern on the roof: basic (catapult), sunflower, corn thrower, sunflower, basic, repeater. As your sun accrues, replace the basics with the melonpults and add the ice melons as soon as you can. Ice melon is AWESOME for the roof level, if you get three in one row you don't need anything else.
Every other level, the burning resto druids are your number one choice.
Seumas Apr 2nd 2010 6:53AM
Wait, this game has kitties? Why wasn't I notified!? >_
jasonkidd1234 Apr 2nd 2010 8:56AM
Uh, like the guide, but what kind of nubstrategy uses Frostpeas or any pea shooters (Aside from threepeaters).
Cob Cannons, Frost Melons, Cattails, and Spikerock are where it's at. Sure it takes a while to build it up, but once you get your field of Spikerock, with Winter Melons slowing them down, and Cattails taking out airbourne enemies and assisting the spikerock, you are INVINCIBLE.
Ahh!!!RealMonsters! Apr 1st 2010 7:20PM
All I know is that this has gotten out of hand.
Seriously how do they expect us to be in the loop on the latest blue posts from GC while we're...
"Distracted by kittens..."
Hyacinthe Apr 1st 2010 7:25PM
Zombies are not kittens. Here is my proof: Do you want kittens on your lawn? Yes. But we don't want zombies on our lawn.
Seumas Apr 2nd 2010 6:55AM
I opened the window and a breeze blew in and I was *distracted by kittens*
When Bruce WIllis was dead at the end of Sixth Sense I was *distracted by kittens*
I ate a grape then I was *distracted by kittens*
Proper Apr 1st 2010 7:23PM
I feel like I'm in a bad pug and there's this really annoying player, I go to vote to kick but I get the message, "Can't do that yet for 13 min."
Is it over yet?
Ostentaneous Apr 1st 2010 7:23PM
This article is brilliant.
Mandrill Apr 1st 2010 7:25PM
I'm really getting sick of the hardcore PVZers who so quickly dismiss the Fungus spec. Sure, you take a hit of @15-20% BPS(Brains per Second), but the long term survivabilty and lower dependence on sun more than make up for it. And while I agree that the Coffee Bean seems like a wasted slot, most serious yard tanks are already taking it for their magnets anyhow.
Robin Torres Apr 1st 2010 7:35PM
The problem is that the coffee bean adds extra cost and cooldown to each mushroom placement. Yes, use it during the daytime for the magnet -- particularly if you have diggers and football zombies, but I disagree with the Fungus spec being at all viable for daytime deployment otherwise.
Ahoni Apr 1st 2010 7:42PM
Don't disrespect the fungus Robin! Gloom Shrooms are incredibly powerful and incredibly useful on many levels. Put two on the back row in a pumpkin and they will take out any diggers without a problem.
And don't get me started on endless. Good luck getting anywhere on endless without Gloom Shrooms.
brian Apr 1st 2010 8:22PM
Going full fungi-spec isn't too effective, given the reliance on coffee bean cooldowns, but sub-speccing can be very effective. While you get the best kps (kills per plant) with non-fungi most of the time, using a combination of magnet shroom and fume shroom is very helpful.
The magnet shroom helps kill the tougher zombies faster by purging their buffs, while the fume shroom provides a very good cone-based aoe attack that helps to down multiple zombies at once, so your single-target peas can focus on the tougher zombies. This does limit speccing into frostfire, but frostfungi is the build I like best.
wutsconflag Apr 1st 2010 7:33PM
You CAN use snowpeas and the torchwood at the same time IF you put your snowpeas to the right of the torchwood plant.
That said, it might be easier to use the wintermelons, although costlier... Hmmm...
Hyacinthe Apr 1st 2010 7:34PM
Here's a tip: Gold magnet plants are daytime plants. If you only need the magnets that pick up the coins, and don't need the magnet shroom, don't waste a spot on the coffee bean.
Mognet T Apr 1st 2010 7:35PM
There's a WoW Nerd on your lawn.
There's a WoW Nerd on your lawn.
There's a WoW Nerd on your lawn.
We don't want WoW Nerds on the lawn.
Jamus Apr 1st 2010 7:47PM
If you're doing a frost build, there's nothing that beats wintermelon for the aoe damage. Snowpeas are fine for early waves but it's terrible against screen doors and buckets, although any decent late wave build is going to involve front line magnets anyway, so you can stack snowpeas if you want to be a frost purist.
Fire builds might look fun, but it's totally useless for endless wave raiding. You're very dependent on aoe once you have a full lawn and the zombies come by the hundreds, and peas are always single target no matter how effective they are. Besides, all the multi peashooters are overpriced and you can get much better frost plants for the same amount of sun...
Of course, most people who want to raid are forced into the cookie cutter kernelpult/wintermelon build, which is practical but as uninspired as it gets.
Robin Torres Apr 1st 2010 7:54PM
Fire does turn peas into multi target projectiles. That's the beauty of it.