Ready Check: How to fill out a raiding application, part 2

This is actually my favorite question to see on a raiding application, both as someone answering the question and as someone reading the response. The question isn't really about the nitty gritty of your class mechanics. Instead, it's about how you as a person think, operate, and play the game.
If I see someone simply say "This is the spec Elitist Jerks says I should be," I will probably ignore the application. I'm not trying to judge the accuracy of EJ's information, because their information is damned good and probably right. Rather, my concern would be that the player doesn't understand their own class mechanics, and is simply parroting a spec. In that behavior, they're likely not to perform up to par, and we're all suffering a big whopping disservice.
But what if that's my answer, really? This spec is the cookie cutter build, and there's not much variation on it. I would answer, "This is the leading-edge build according to EJ; it's built on a few important foundations of my spec, and I've not felt the need to modify it in any way."
What sources of information do you use about WoW?
You should only answer WoW.com, and leave it at that.
Okay, I kid. Most raiders use the same websites: MMO-Champion, Elitist Jerks, Tankspot, WoW.com, just to name a tiny handful.
But I would highly encourage you to also talk about in-game consultation. For example, I use the phrase: "I also constantly update my information with fellow tanks, because I like to be sure I'm getting the same real-world results as they are, inside the game."
Why do you want to join our guild?
This is probably the most important question on the raiding application. It's not because it's necessarily going to be what determines whether or not you're accepted into the guild of your dreams, but because it's going to set a lot of that guild's perceptions about you.
If you overstroke the guild's ego, you'll be perceived as a fan boy. I'll default to the "be honest" admonishment from before. Why did you choose to apply to this particular guild? Did their raid hours line up perfectly with your own? Are their accomplishments impressive, and therefore something you want to also do?
The obviously bad answers include "to get good gear," "I want to kill Arthas," and "I have a crush on your guild leader."
What are your primary professions? Would you consider changing your professions?
Some professions supply incredibly important stat boosts, while others might just be in short supply inside a particular guild. Since these items are listed on the Armory, there's obviously no point in being coy about it.
You should take a moment, though, and say why you chose your professions. It'll provide a little further insight to you as a player, as well as maybe helping the guild understand your choices.
When are you available to raid? How flexible is your schedule?
I can't say how many times I've seen new raiders completely flub this question. I don't understand it. To me, it seems like a fairly easy inquiry to answer, but I constantly see people fib or equivocate their answer. Please, please believe me when I say there's no point in being less than forthcoming.
If you can't make the raids, you don't tend to have a lot of business applying to that raid. If you know you're only going to have partial availability to the guild's schedule, say so completely up front. You never know; they might need a little extra coverage on the nights you happen to be free. But don't lie and set up bad expectations.
What is your age range?
I hate this question. It feels funny to talk about my age when applying to a video game guild, when even a real life company doesn't have the right to ask that question. However, what most people tend to mean is "Are you relatively mature, and able to fit into the group?"
Therefore, I admit that I go off-script on this question. My question would be "I'm a 30-something adult who works a regular day time job, I do some internet writing on the side, and am married with puppy. However, when new content drops, I tend to be online non-stop until I feel like I've mastered it." I try to describe that, while I'm fully dedicated to the guild, I also have a real life.
The whole "real life'" thing has a lot of funny connotations to any player who has previous baggage with other raid members not showing up, since "omg real life" tends to be the go-to excuse. Therefore, I spell out that while I have other obligations, I tend to be pretty thorough until everything's on farm.
Summary
The most important thing when applying to a new guild is that you need to be honest and thorough. Take the time to spell out what you mean. Instead of "I want to see content," say that "I'm looking for further challenge than the environment in which I currently play." Don't equivocate; if you're going to have scheduling challenges, be upfront and honest about that.
Good luck apping out there, folks. I hope you get in.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
uncaringbear Apr 2nd 2010 9:27PM
It really is srs bznss. I recently joined a new guild and the application and subsequent interview felt more stressful than some of my previous job applications/interviews.
Viper007Bond Apr 2nd 2010 9:39PM
This article is going up as a sticky in my guild's recruitment section. Great stuff.
Rhys Apr 2nd 2010 9:47PM
Say it with me...
Spellcheck, spellcheck, spellcheck.
If someone can't be bothered to check their application for basic spelling/punctuation then that gives me a pretty good indication of how much effort they'll put into other aspects of the guild. Besides, professional looking applications get the officers gushing. First impressions do count.
Korey Apr 2nd 2010 10:07PM
This! So many browsers even have a built in spell check now. It seems silly but it really doesn't give a good impression when you are using horrible spelling and grammar when you are trying to convince people that you are mature and skilled enough to raid with them several hours a week.
Vitos Apr 3rd 2010 12:54AM
And don't forget your grammar. Put in your periods and make sure you have capitals in the correct places.
busuan Apr 2nd 2010 10:13PM
Don't know if it's a common practice, I actually saw a few times some guilds doing 'field interviews'. They would ask a applicant, mostly tanks or healers, to form a group for a 5-man heroic, including at least one guild member. The guild member wouldn't comment on the applicant's performance openly but often whipered other people about this particular run (that's how I got to know).
Vibram Apr 3rd 2010 1:24AM
That's what my guild does. We will run a heroic with them before an invite and then before getting the player into a progression raid we usually try to do something like ToC10 or even Naxx10 just to see them in a raid situation. I don't usually look at their raid performance so much as their attitude. If they are getting easily annoyed at mistakes we planned to test them (we are jerks sometimes) then, to me, it looks worse than not having high enough DPS, which is easily fixable with advice.
Priestess Apr 5th 2010 4:16AM
My guild used to do this when we were recruiting raiders for dedicated raid spots. We weren't really interested in your performance so much as we were with YOU as a person. We would often invite people onto vent with us if they were interested. We're very social. For us, enjoying our raids is as important as actually doing them, so if we didn't like you and you didn't like us, that's a no-go right there. Skill and gear we can work on. Being a jerk isn't a talent we can expect you to spec out of. And seeing you in action will tell us a lot more than your app.
P.S. For non-raiders this wasn't required, and we aren't doing it now at all. You just have to talk to me, Mrs. Social Officer. YOU ARE NOT PREPARED! (Lol =)
Ethan Apr 2nd 2010 11:33PM
Don't list your gearscore. For that matter, don't apply to anywhere that asks it.
Slaytanic Apr 3rd 2010 5:42AM
Agreed! List your NameScore!! It's the new in.
Seriously. My guild recruiter would hire you in a second, he loves it. Great for a laugh. :)
http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14890-NameScore.html
RedGuard Apr 3rd 2010 11:37AM
LOL, namescore that's awesome. Downloading right now.
Tankizgay Apr 4th 2010 9:57AM
That. Is. AMAZING loving it!
Caspian Apr 3rd 2010 12:09AM
Thank you! Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V...
Hal Apr 3rd 2010 12:41AM
Other things I've seen listed/requested:
-List of addons used
-Screenshot to see your UI (which came up in a Queue column not so long ago)
-World of Logs report (which I'd never even HEARD of until someone asked for it on a guild app)
-Hard mode experience (everybody on my server is recruiting for ICC hard modes >.
Hal Apr 3rd 2010 12:42AM
Don't know why this was cut off, but here's the rest of what I wrote:
Many of the guilds I've applied to don't have any sort of "would you be willing to change your talents/gems/glyphs/etc.?" feedback or question. If they don't like what they see, you're out. This can be really frustrating when there's legitimate debate on which way those things can go. For example, there's about five talent points Paladin Tanks can spend in discretionary ways; if the guy reading your app has an opinion on THE ONLY WAY those points can be spent, then, well . . . sucks to be you.
tau Apr 3rd 2010 12:46AM
hmmm i find that if a guild requires you to apply and you feel that its more stressful then an actual job interview, then i don't see the point in applying, its a game not a job. Take my guild small aussie guild that has to only drop the LK on 10 man and is halfway through 25 man, very casual laid back which is what I like due to my work I barely raid and granted they are not as fast as most guilds but i believe it eliminates a lot of the stress some heavily focused guilds may encounter. To those guilds that are breezing through the content then good on you i really do wish i could play a bit more but as i say its tricky with my work, heh WTB 9-5 job :-D
Ellanora Apr 3rd 2010 2:44AM
I have to agree on stress not being worth it to apply to a guild, when it is just a game. And I can also sympathize with the job situation. I work in a movie theater part time, while going to college, and I have the strangest hours at times. I'll work 5-10:30 this day, or 12:30-10:30 this day, or even 4-8 on that day. I don't have a set schedule of what days I work so I don't trust it enough to apply to a raiding guild. I don't trust my schedule enough to say, 'Ok I'm available these days, and these nights.'
PirateHunter Apr 3rd 2010 4:57AM
My guild (which is a fairly casual outfit) has actually stopped doing formal applications as they don't tend to tell us anything we don't already know. Its easy to check someones armoury yourself, which includes their achievements, talents, glyphs & specs. What is more important to us as a casual, sociable guild is people's attitudes, their approach to raiding, and how well they're going to fit in with the rest of the guild. Its very difficult to pick any of that up from a application form, so we have tended to recruit pugs who've come with us on raids, or take people on for a trial period to see how everyone gets along. Its usually obvious fairly quickly if they're what we want and vice-versa, but I can understand that our approach isn't suitable for larger guilds or the hardcore lot.
Muse Apr 3rd 2010 5:35AM
Also, the question "Do you know any members in the guild?" does NOT mean you should list members of your current guild (if any). It asks for members you know in the guild you're APPLYING to.
Quasimofo Apr 3rd 2010 8:20AM
Nothing screams quality potential guild member like "i will jon ur guild becaus i am best dps and u wud be really smart 2 hav me join u i even do toc and voa and i hav 2 teir 10 set bones". Such masterpieces find an honored place in core hound pup's kennel.