Ready Check: How to fill out raiding applications

I'm not sure who invented the current version of the generic "raiding application," but it seems like most guilds use the same rough format. There's some questions about PvE, gear, spec, and even some questions about PvP. (Of course, guilds that don't give a whit about PvP will probably skip this question, but I still see a lot of raiding applications that do care how many honorable kills you've acquired.
Let's take a look behind the cut and talk over some of the most common questions you'll find on raiding applications, and what you should consider when answering those questions. Of course, before we do that, remember: the best advice is to be honest, open, and avoid being tricksy.
What is your current guild, and why are you leaving?
Don't just say your reason for leaving the current guild is "to see more content." Presumably, everyone knows you're trying to see more content because you're raiding in the first place. Besides, what you're really saying with "see more content" is that "my current group sucks and will never progress further."
Instead, focus on the reasons you're applying to this particular guild. "I'd like to operate with a team that uses DKP," for example. "I'm interested in PvP," you might say, "and I see your guild does both raiding and battlegrounds together."
Of course, there might be raid leaders out there who're perfectly happy with "see more content." That answer's just a pet peeve of mine.
My answer: I'm looking to raid with a group whose priorities are similar to mine -- skill, hard work, focused effort. I don't have seven nights each week to play, so I make every second I do spend count.
Who are all of your your previous guilds?
This question has never made much sense to me; I think people are trying to keep an preventive eye out for drama hounds and guild hoppers. Maybe this is a roundabout way of asking for references. I've never used it on any kind of guild application because the answer rarely does me any actual good.
Of course, if someone like me is applying, my MMO guild history goes back roughly a decade. I guess I'd have to sort out if MUDs and MUSHes count to this guild. But if the guild you're applying to asks, you should provide a fairly accurate answer. It might be helpful to say why your relationship with each guild ended. And, by the way: this information is fairly public, anyway.
List your armory. Please log out in your raiding spec.
This is a no-brainer. The guild wants to check out your gear.
Are you willing to respec for the good of the raid?
Asking new applicants whether or not they're willing to respec is a heavy, heavy question. Many rogues, mages, hunters, and warlocks are relatively happy to switch specs if asked; they're just moving from one form of DPS to another form of DPS.
By comparison, however, hybrid classes are usually very nervous about answering this question. Some raid leaders aren't really asking you if you'll fine-tune your talent points or use a slightly different build; they're actually asking if a DPS hybrid "Will you heal?" or "Will you tank?"
You should be incredibly specific when you answer this question. If you simply say "yes, sure," then don't be surprised if your raid leader asks you to swap roles in a month, instead of simply altering your spec a bit. It's reasonable to ask someone to do what necessary in order to help the raid succeed, so if you don't want to fulfill a role, you should say so.
My answer: I'm happy to tank or DPS in about any configuration you want. I prefer to tank. While my class has a healing spec, I am about the worse healer to ever spam Flash of Light. I will do so in pinch, but I'm bad at it. It is not where my skills are located.
What do you, as a player, bring to our guild?
Many real-life interviews ask about the skills applicants bring to the table. This question is kind of the raiding version of that.
Don't try to cheese this question by saying something like, "I know every class in the game, and I have rocking DPS." That's not usually what a raid leader is looking for. What most raid leaders want to know are whether you're patient enough to wipe all night during progression. Do you regularly use free time look up current techniques? Do you communicate well in private environments? Try and illuminate the positive features that a raid leader would truly appreciate about you.
My answer: I have a fairly broad knowledgebase about the game, and am therefore able to adapt pretty quickly to whatever a raid needs. I'm well versed in all the fights, and know my two roles in those fights. I'm happy to be a team player, but also happy to help out wherever necessary.
How long have you been playing WoW? List your previous raiding experience. Which raids did you perform while the content was relevant?
These questions are natural and pertinent, although I think they're also the questions that Ghostcrawler's accessibility doctrine are slow diminishing. Raiding used to be a "hardcore" game; if you didn't have leagues of time and effort to pour into raiding, you didn't have much place in a raiding guild.
Nowadays, though, the access to quality gear through relatively comfortable playstyles means that anyone can raid. Still, if a "srs bznz" guild is looking to recruit "srs bznz" raiders, then they'll want someone with some miles under their tires.
My answer: Since beta, and all of it (with various degrees of involvement).
How do you handle criticism toward your performance?
This is the question I dread the most because criticism is such a subjective word. For example, I don't think there's anyone out there who would take offense if a raid leader said; "Wow, Bob! You do amazing DPS. Our tanks need a second or two headstart to be able to keep up with that; could you wait a few seconds before you unload?"
On the other hand, even I would get ruffled if someone told me "Hey, poopface, you're the worst ret paladin to ever faceroll!" (Okay, I'd actually laugh, but you get my point.)
Criticism and its delivery can be so bloody subjective that it's impossible simply answer the question. Heck, for every raid member that needs to learn to take criticism, there's probably one that need to learn how to coach.
In order to navigate this murky question smoothly, I answer with specific examples of how I've embraced coaching from raid leaders. This tends to demonstrate your willingness to work as a team, without making you come off as a complete newb.
Do you have a reliable PC? A reliable internet connection? Which Addons do you use?
These are obviously not questions most guilds could easily verify; you could claim to have a reliable computer and internet connection, even if you were using an aircard deep in the Sahara. But the point in the question is not getting details; it tends to be making you say so.
If someone swears their internet is reliable, and they start dropping their connection left and right, raid leaders feel better about having firing the raider if the question has already been asked.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Jennifer Apr 2nd 2010 9:28PM
My brother's guild received an application that responded, to the question "Where did you hear about our guild?" with the answer "On the internet."
Kaz Apr 2nd 2010 9:43PM
"Who are all of your your previous guilds?"
On my server at least many guild leaders and officers have been in guilds with or have a report with the GMs and officers of other guilds. Before server transfers, faction transfers, name changes, etc. became available any potential applicants could have been checked out by one officer of the applied to guild by asking his buddy in the applicants former guild. Ninjas, drama queens, terribads, etc. were easy to spot and filter out.
Sometimes apps would claim that they were in a top tier raiding guild to try to gain an edge, but just shown to be liars when people from that guild were asked about the player (some even put that on when they were apping to that guild at the same time XD ).
Anyhoo, with as easy as it is to get a fresh start the question is just on there to check how much group experience someone has and how long they may last. An app with a few guilds in there that stuck around until a /gdispand is going to look better than someone with lots of guilds who keeps leaving due to some kind of friction with others in the guild or because they were board, and someone that hasn't been in a guild yet shows that they may be a new player which may make other good answers shine more.
elvariante Apr 2nd 2010 10:46PM
I recently transfer from a terrilag and terribad realm to a very populated and well progressed realm in US (currently Top 3), so I filled like 10 applys in one week XD. Was really funny to read the response from some recruiters:
(some top 15 in realm) asking me every type of info like "waths your keybinds??", once you responce they continue with "link some wowlogs plz", then later asking for "other person that can certificate your good will and skill??" ... wtf, once I responce the 5th consecutive question just get a trial spot in a Top 5 of that realm making HM in ICC, and doing some of this HM as trial so... WTF with this ppl?
Recruiters its simple, everything come to a simple test, trial the applicants in the first ICC bosses (or that boss where none of your guild need gear) and you can get a idea of that player, stop looking for lies where you cant find it!
Korey Apr 2nd 2010 11:04PM
Just outright trialing like that doesn't work for most high end guilds for a few reasons. The biggest being that they might have to sit someone out to trial you, and without any idea of how you will perform, this could lead to problems, and a waste of time. If you are trying to fill slots in a roster in a progression guild, you don't want it taking more time than necessary.
A world of logs report will be asked for by most guilds who are clearing hard modes right now. It allows them to check not only your dps, but it can give a good idea of your rotation, what killed you when you died (Did you stand in fire? Was it avoidable?) and up-time of certain abilities. (eg: A holy pally with a low up-time on their judgments might raise a flag)
A parse gives the guild a rough idea of how you perform BEFORE they commit to having you in their group. It makes them feel more like they're trialing you and less like they're potentially going to have to carry you.
As far as you talking about keybindings, this is often why they ask for a ui screenshot. They're checking to see that you have the required mods and that important abilities are keybound. Argue all you want, but keybinding is and will always be faster than clicking.
And last, because it cannot be stressed enough, spell check your app! Spelling and grammar may not seem important but if you can't take the time to run your app through a spell check, the guild isn't going to want to take the time to read it.
noobdeluxe Apr 2nd 2010 10:57PM
Based on your answers in the article i would decline your app - that's even before round 2 would kick in: the ventrilo interview
Meg Apr 3rd 2010 3:05AM
It would be helpful if you explained why.
elvariante Apr 2nd 2010 11:52PM
I agree with you, but letting applicants to wait for 3 weeks or more doing stupids questions over and over its frustrating and the applicant loose interest at the end.
To summarize a parse its all you need to check that player before a trial period.
And sorry for my engrish.
Catacomb Kid Apr 2nd 2010 11:59PM
I'm sorry, I'm confused. Where is the place for my Equipment Potency EquivalencE Number???
psychodude Apr 3rd 2010 3:19AM
"Hey, poopface, you're the worst ret paladin to ever faceroll!"
During my studies there was one thing which always applied, wish to give critique? Let it be constructed feedback. This example you just posted is plain and simple flaming, has squat to do with criticism and only comes from people trying to ignite guild drama. If done frequently, grounds enough to warrant a kick in my view. And if it comes from one of the leaders, no reason to hang around a bunch of immature pricks then now is it?
sherekhan88 Apr 3rd 2010 3:39AM
I'm wonder how do I handle explaining my raid experience that I have on a character on another faction? For example, my hunter on Alliance is experienced at least up to 4/12 for ICC (not a lot, but that's why I'm hoping for a move to a raiding guild), and I've been raiding since TBC. My horde alt is really just an alternate main, as I gear it up for tanking/dpsing. If I were to apply for a Horde guild, how would I refer to my Alliance main's experience? Or prove it is mine for that matter?
Rajinnu Apr 3rd 2010 7:18AM
I think that half the time if people stopped woryying about gear scores, achievements being listed and interviews and actually just rand some stuff it would be much easier to see if someone sucks or not.
Half of the people touting giant GS requirements don't even have a clue themselves... not everyone needs a huge equipment potency equivalence number to be awesome at wow.
liquidself2004 Apr 3rd 2010 7:31AM
The whole idea of having to apply to guild like a job is degrading. Its a game; it was supposed to be fun.
Boz Apr 5th 2010 9:29AM
Guild apps are a necessity to help prevent potential new members from ruining the game time of current members.
Yes, it's a game, but it's not exactly fun when a new member makes anti-semitic comments, takes loot for an off-spec from a member who needs it for their primary spec, kills Darnavan, repeatedly stands in the fire, joins as a healer and then DPS's the entire time, etc.
Bananacup Apr 3rd 2010 8:15AM
As someone who is applying for jobs in real life right now I see a very big connection between the two. I also see a big difference: One is to get me money in real life so I can stay alive, the other for a freaking video game.
Degrading and humiliating are two words that are good to use to describe the guild application process. Let's see how "hardcore" guilds deal in cata, where if trends continue content will become even more puggable.
Bananacup Apr 3rd 2010 8:17AM
Oh, and while i'm at it, don't bother with the "you've never been in a raiding guild you don't know what it's like!!" or "you're too bad to get into a raiding guild!!". Actually, don't bother with the (wrong) assumptions at all.
Phix Apr 3rd 2010 9:06AM
This, so bad. The absolute worst are the ones requiring a Ventrilo interview. Seriously? A vent interview?
Are you going to start paying me and give me an office, too? Just fuck off already. There is absolutely no need for a game to mimic real life in such a way. I thought games were meant to be a source of escape but now I have to fucking get my portfolio ready and spend 15 minutes talking to some 16 year old on a mic as he vets me?
As far as I'm concerned all it should take is a simple application which shows that 1) you can spell 2) you're not retarded 3) you're not an asshole and 4) you can listen and THEN 5) you're properly geared/gemmed/enchanted for raiding. Who cares what the fuck keybinds or addons you use? You use whatever you're comfortable with and as long as it WORKS for you and you can carry your own weight and it doesn't affect the raid.
I guess being a guild leader in WoW gives people that sense of authority and power they desperately crave IRL.
vinniedcleaner Apr 3rd 2010 9:46AM
I agree. I already have a job, I'm not going to go through all this just to play a game that I pay to play. If all these 'hardcore' raiding gulds would just drop the elitism, there would be a greater sense of community within the game. Instead, what we have is a bunch of snobs who wouldn't sully their hands with the likes of the rest of us.
What's next on their agenda? Urine samples?
beaubot Apr 3rd 2010 1:16PM
The point you guys are missing is that a raid only has 25 slots. For most raiding guilds there is a long line of people who WANT to raid with them. The amount of effort shown on the application directly shows the amount of effort the player is willing to put into raiding with you. Guilds are looking for like-minded individuals. Since it's impossible to trial every raider (especially off server transfers), an app is the only way to tell if a player puts as much into the game as your guild needs from them.
If an applicant looks at a question and says 'I don't need to tell them that, so I won't' they sure as hell will do the same thing when you ask them to handle something in-raid that they think is not important. The second thing that the app does is weed out the people like you. The current state of hardmodes for most guilds could mean canceling a raid with one person deciding to take a night off. If an applicant can't even take the application seriously, how seriously do you expect them to take your raiding schedule?
Hoggersbud Apr 3rd 2010 12:09PM
I don't believe in guild apps. That's why I belong to a guild with people I know through real life. We have some people who were once hard-core progression raiders. We have some people who can't figure out much of anything if you tell them twice.
Maybe we'll see the Lich King one day. Maybe not. I think we have a guild recruiting post in your server's forums, and maybe we have an app process, but I don't know it, and I don't involve myself in recruiting.
Then again, I hate applying for jobs too. Most of what they ask is thinly disguised psychological profiling to see if they can fit you into their round holes. They don't want any square pegs.
Hoggersbud Apr 3rd 2010 12:10PM
Note that last is for the larger-scale corporate employers, not necessarily the individual stuff where a person can be taken as well...a person.