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4-05-2010 @ 9:17PM
I'm gonna miss abolish disease
4-05-2010 @ 9:58PM
I'm probably just a bad resto druid, but even w/ Abolish Disease I've got a horrible habit of recasting it on someone who still has it on them and got a new poison.So I probably won't notice the difference. >.>
4-05-2010 @ 10:02PM
I don't get why they are taking this away from Shadow Priests... as an Spriest, I enjoy the fact that I can make healers' lives a bit easier by getting rid of diseases. Do they just want DPS classes to not offer extra utility, or what? That makes DPSing more boring for me.
4-05-2010 @ 10:07PM
"Do they just want DPS classes to not offer extra utility, or what? That makes DPSing more boring for me."No, you can easily drop out of shadowform to do this. The point is to make dispels more expensive and strategic, and less knee-jerk. They don't want people thinking debuf-dispel-debuf-dispel, they want you to see what the debuf is, and react properly. They want you to make decisions. They don't want to give you a spell that will tick over and over again to completely negate one class (DKs) and they don't want to have to give DKs a counter to the counter (Unholy Blight changes).In fact, I'm willing to bet DKs lose their disease protection once Abolish Disease and Cleansing Totem are gone. Once there are real consequences for mindlessly dispelling, like OOMing or something, strategy comes back into play.
4-05-2010 @ 10:57PM
spriests ARE supposed to be a support / dps role (more dps since 3.3 =D) so i dont understand why theyd remove it.
4-06-2010 @ 12:09AM
@curtis "No, you can easily drop out of shadowform to do this." Granted, they did just recently lower the mana cost of shadowform, it's not as easy as you make it out to be. Shadow priests don't generally place talents into spells that are assumed more in the healing role. So dropping outta shadowform to cast a dispell on yourself is pretty costly afterall. When you take into account the full price of the dispell (which will then be greater) and the cost of going back into shadowform, plus the small loss of dps during those 2 GCDs, it's very much a problem now. It's almost not worth it at all, in fact, spriests are probably better off just dpsing through the disease and hoping the VE healing will compensate.
4-06-2010 @ 1:35AM
And that's entirely the point. Now you've come to a situation where you have to decide: "is it worth the mana and GCDs necessary to cleanse this debuff or should I just try to burn through it?"There's strategy. Not "oops a disease, abolish disease, don't have to worry about it anymore." That doesn't even approach strategy. That's a kneejerk response, and it begs the question, why even allow you to be diseased in the first place if it costs you nothing but one GCD for 12 seconds of free cleansing?Now you'll have to look at what the disease does and decide whether it's important enough to get rid of. Is it worth it? IDK, DKs have so much damage locked up not just in the dot, but the strikes that are modified by diseases being on target, maybe it is worth dropping form for two or four quick dispels. Now you've got the DK without runes to reapply, and they're at a damage disadvantage for several seconds. Think about it.
4-06-2010 @ 4:32AM
So mages can remove a curse in 1 gcd, paladins the same with what they can remove, priest have an ability to remove disease but it takes 2 gcd's and dropping form. That's like saying mages loose their mage armor for removing a curse. If they want to make disease removal more of a choice for spriest, and this seems mostly to be a pvp issue, just make it cost more in shadowform(it's normal cost plus the cost to recast shadowform, but it would still only cost 1 gcd). That would make it more of a choice, and it would cost more mana to remove multiple diseases, but that's where you'd have to decide if you are willing to drop form to remove many, or stay in form and use more mana.
4-06-2010 @ 12:00PM
This doesn't make much sense.For all other dps dispel costs them the mana of the spell and 1 GCD. For hunters and mages that's 8% base mana and, iirc, for a lock it's just a pet ability.For a shadowpriest it's 2 GCD and 25% of base mana (12% to cure, 13% to get back to shadowform). This feels like another hybrid tax on top of our already 5% hybrid tax. The post doesn't seem to say anything about Moonkin no longer being able to remove curses and poisons and they are in an almost identical situation.Having said that, I'm really sorry Shaman. You probably did have too many amazing dispel mechanics but it really stinks to have something so good taken away.
4-06-2010 @ 1:42PM
There is no "negating" of DKs or Rogues. You guys who don't play shammy in PvP really need to try it out, because there is NOTHING to stop a rogue now, and before you had to be PREPARED to be attacked by a rogue otherwise you are in the same boat again (there is no dropping totems while stunlocked).They apply these poisons and diseases without thinking and on practically every hit. The totem was a minor inconvenience for them, one that could be easily negated by using 1 GCD to kill the totem or to just walk away. I would agree if there was no counter to our totems, but totems have the easiest counter of them all. Seriously you people are defending DKs and Rogues, some of the most overpowered chartacters vs. shaman (I'm not saying overpowered in general I am saying overpowered when fighting Shaman). It was one of the few things that helped us survive but even then didn't help much.
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