Officers' Quarters: PDA

Everyone seems to have their own opinion about public displays of affection (PDA). What's acceptable to some may be scandalous to others. What makes one person feel awkward may make someone else jealous and yet a third person happy for the lucky couple. This week, one reader is facing a PDA outbreak in guild chat.
Hi Scott,
First off, I really like my guild and everyone in it. We all get along (as much as it is possible) and I've had some great laughs as well as some intense fun. We do guild events, we all know how far to go in guild chat, and so on.
However, a problem is arising from the relationship between a guy and a girl in the guild. They are both long-time members, but have recently hit it off and have gradually become more and more smitten with each other. This has happened before and never been a problem, but due to the extremely charismatic nature of the couple, they are having a negative effect on the guild chat. When they are both online, they are both constantly talking and flirting in it, making it impossible for anyone else to get a word in or have a decent conversation. I really like both of them, making it difficult for me to just butt in with a "get a room" without sounding like a dick. When they are alone, they are still just as great as they always were. It's only when you put them together does a problem arise.
Any ideas?
Yours,
Kupo
In WoW, you really have to go out of your way to put the P together with the DA. There are many ways of communicating privately: /whisper, /say in a secluded spot, in-game mail, a private Vent server or channel, and so on. Thus, I suspect that your couple enjoys the attention they get by using guild chat for their flirtation, or perhaps just the thrill of flirting where everyone else can read it.
It's not unreasonable at all to assume that other people are bothered by this sort of thing. It might be fun to see them flirting once, but if it's happening every time they're online together, you can safely assume that most people in your guild have had enough at this point.
As an officer, dealing with this situation doesn't have to be a big deal. Privately ask one player or the other if they could take their personal conversations to whispers. I've had to do this from time to time and it's best not to treat the issue like it's a huge problem. That only feeds into their desire for attention, especially if they subsequently feel "persecuted." So the less you say about it, the better off you are.
You might not be able to get away with just that, however. They may ask you why you're making this request. In that case, you can further explain that, while everyone is happy for them, their conversations in guild chat are distracting and sometimes make people feel uncomfortable.
During this conversation, under no circumstances should you use words like "inappropriate" or "gross." Your role here isn't to judge them but to look out for the best interests of your members and clean up your chat channel. Focus on the effects of the behavior -- such as how their conversations make the use of gchat more difficult for others -- rather than the behavior itself.
Hopefully at this point, they'll show respect to their fellow guildmates and take their flirting to whispers. Since they are long-time members, they should know what your guild chat is normally like and how they have changed it.
You can still expect an occasional flirtatious comment. Still, as long as they're not dominating guild chat with extended "private" conversations, you should consider your mission accomplished.
If you are not an officer, then the situation is a little bit more complex. You can make the same request without the authority of an officer rank behind you. In this case, it's more like asking for a favor. Or you could ask an officer if they would mind saying something to them along the lines of what I recommend above. Which course of action you choose depends on how close you are to the couple and how comfortable you feel taking an active role.
People who are in a relationship can sometimes be blind to the effect their behavior has on others. In most cases, just pointing it out -- politely -- is enough.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
dragon_eel Apr 5th 2010 1:11PM
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e-mailing this to my raid leader asap!
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I have to deal with this inbetween bosses during a raid and the both of them have 'their spot' where they sit in Dalaran and /s talk to eachother
Vjax Apr 5th 2010 1:24PM
If the guild has a website do a post on Guild Chat, explain that its for guild conversation, if you wish to have a private conversation, or have a conversation that is not really for others to get in, simply tell them the easy procedure for creating a private chat channel /join gonnaflirtnow.
They may get the hint, make the guild message of the day relate to the forum post. May save you from having to get up in thier flirtatious grill and all.
dragon_eel Apr 5th 2010 1:30PM
Your talking from a guild leaders perspective. I am not in the same guild as i raid with.. (trying to fix that) so i dont want to overstep my boundries. I'm trying to stay on everybody's good side.
Draaka Apr 5th 2010 1:44PM
I have had to deal with similar sticky personal issues as someone who has been an officer in all manner of different types of guilds, best way to start anything that could be construed as a personal telling off is:
Hey ______, not a big deal, but any chance you could...
for example:
Hey ______, not a big deal, but any chance you could move your flirtations with _____ to a private chat channel, everyone at the guild is really happy for your both, but /g is not really the right place to have a conversation going on that only include two people. Much appreciated ^_^
Snuzzle Apr 5th 2010 5:30PM
Personally, I'd nix the "not a big deal". It comes off as "no offense, but..." to me. And as everyone knows, when someone says "no offense, but..." it means "I am about to say something offensive but want to have a way of protecting myself when you are inevitably offended."
Just keep it light and breezy. "Hey guys, you think you could move your flirting to another channel? It's hard to get a word in edgewise! :) Thanks!" If you phrase it like it's no big deal, they'll probably take it that way. If you have to say "It's no big deal" they'll assume it really is.
Also, they probably really don't notice the problem. We all know how love makes fools of us all, and it may be as simple as mentioning that you'd prefer them to take it to private chat to make them realize that what they're doing is probably less than appropriate. Showing them a screenshot of some of their "steamier" moments might help too, as after the moment has passed, them seeing the stuff they've said in public might be an eye opener.
Best of luck!
Draaka Apr 6th 2010 12:47AM
I definitely agree with what you say, I do tend to be quite formal when addressing personal issues in a guild, and also had this in mind more as a mail than a /w.
I like to keep messages that deal with this type of thing (guild telling offs and warnings etc, not romance) more formalized and in the shape of mails because you can take time to think out what you want to say, it looks marginally more official (like sending letters to large companies instead of emails often gets a better response) & it lets them take longer to think about it and reply in their own time, which I find often elicits a better thought out and more reasonable response.
What you suggest would 100% work better as a quick /w to each of the people involved.
But that's just my leadership style and what I have learnt from trial and error in the guilds I have been in.
Gimmlette Apr 5th 2010 1:43PM
Does your guild have a requirement on what kind of chat is permitted in guild chat? After some rather inappropriate comments in chat, I instituted a "Guild Chat is PG-13 at all times" rule. Just because people are adults does not mean they wish to come on the game and be subjected to some kinds of language. This would fall under the "um...inappropriate guys".
I'm also guessing that you're not alone in desiring this to be taken out of guild chat to private chat.
I think, if you aren't an officer, you can tell them that you find their comments in poor taste for general chat. Tell them it really puts a damper on chat and you are concerned people are turning off chat because of their comments. It's not appropriate for them to be overtly flirtatious in chat and they need to party up, keep those comments in the party and keep guild chat for informational and light chatter. Sometimes, just one person speaking up is all it takes. Sometimes it carries more weight if it's not an officer saying, "That's not appropriate for chat. Please stop."
You could ask around and see if others share your POV. If you're not alone in feeling this is more than awkward, then have a couple of other people echo your sentiments.
If you're not an officer, if your tactics, done privately, don't remedy the situation, then you need to go to an officer with your concerns. It helps if there is established rules or guidelines for guild chat. If your guild doesn't have them, maybe something should be set up so everyone knows what is and isn't appropriate. Then it doesn't appear you're singling these two out.
It is a fine line, what is and is not considered appropriate for chat. Some guilds let anything go. Some guilds are more restrictive. The key is to be direct, suggest they take their conversation elsewhere and then apply some standard that everyone knows.
Zuckerdachs Apr 5th 2010 4:03PM
I have to disagree with having people echo it. If multiple people complain at once, it'd feel like they're being ganged up on. There's a lot to be said for the kind of diplomacy suggested in the article; it gets things done without souring anything unnecessarily.
GrumblyStuff Apr 5th 2010 1:45PM
Take it to the whispers already!
This is why guilds need at least one defacto hardass to be the one to say stuff bluntly.
Plus it makes mistells all the more entertaining if you only get 1% of the conversation.
/ra Oh yeah baby
Eddy Apr 5th 2010 1:54PM
/ra That's why I'm wearing my Pants of the Naaru under this robe, baby.
devilsei Apr 5th 2010 1:55PM
or
" /r I slowly unwork the mystic bindings of your Wildheart Spaulders, apologizing softly for breaking your set bonus"
those accidental spaces before the / can be a real mood killer.
Namy Apr 5th 2010 7:04PM
Ha ha! That cracked me up! :D
PirateHunter Apr 5th 2010 1:58PM
Excellent advice for dealing with inappropriate chat within the guild. Its probably harder to deal with in PUGs, but I suppose the same advice still works.
My guild (which hasn't always got the mature approach going on) tends to deal with people in PUGs being lovey-dovey by a mass /kiss & /love on the characters getting their freak on. Immature, but it generally works as the RL will promptly tell everyone to clear chat and focus on whatever is going on.
Marathal Apr 5th 2010 2:00PM
So what do you do if it is the GM.
Priestess Apr 5th 2010 2:30PM
The way I see it, if it's the GM you get three choices:
Door #1) Tell him it bothers you. Nicely. Regardless of how nice you are, you could get booted. Or he could not care. Or he could be awesome and do something appropriate about it. Your mileage may vary.
Door #2) Ignore it.
Door #3) Gquit.
Eeny meeny miney moe.....
Xaverius Apr 5th 2010 2:04PM
/join _new_chat_channel_name_
If they both do that - they can create their own channel - and if they hit the social button, they can even add a password to it if I recall correctly. Plenty of times that I've done so to talk to family online - no need to do so in guild chat, and whispers can be troublesome when trying to respond to more than one person ...
VioletArrows Apr 5th 2010 2:11PM
Urgh. I have to constantly... negotiate... PDAs with my guy. Every once in a while it's hilarious; I'm sitting at the bar preparing spells and suddenly he bursts in the door singing, jumps on the counter, and starts /e and coyote ugly dancing all up on me, which attracts attention, he hams it up a few minutes with some rp, and we go on our merry way.
Then there are times when I have to jump to another window/phone and remind him that people do like to report others if you look at them wrong, and maybe... JUST MAYBE, that last thing was kinda sorta *wildly* inappropriate. Just maybe. *double facepalm* We're not all oblivious. Just painfully embarrassed. Go ahead and say something, just tactfully and if they have any sense/common decency (lol, what's that?), they'll stop. Some folks don't. They get griefed.
Priestess Apr 5th 2010 2:26PM
Awesome, awesome advice. This issue screams "Teenager!" to me. Probably because we have an abnormally large number of couples in my guild, and this hasn't come up for us. There's the occasional and passing /kiss, or "I love you anyway dear" when we we're goofing around or have a mostly-couples raid going on, but not anything that is going to gross others out or make them ask the couple to shut up or clear out. In case of emergencies or "WoW date nights" we have a vent channel that's clearly rated XXXXXX18+XXXXXX and has a password. Only the couples who may need it have the password, lol.
I'm hoping that this couple will have enough maturity to listen when they're asked nicely, because after you've asked nicely, it gets much more sticky. What Scott's advised and a few posters have given leads for is excellently sound advice imo. Draaka in particular had a great setup for you. I'm not quite for the "not a big deal" since it kinda is a big deal if it's ruining your gchat, but definitely:
"Hey, it would be great if you two could move it to a private channel so everyone can get a clear gchat to be in. If you need any help setting up a secure and private chat or vent channel, I'd be glad to help you out so you can get back to.... ya know."
Guyver2 Apr 5th 2010 2:52PM
I wish we could lump situations like this into the "teenager" category. Sadly, it's just not exclusive to that demographic. We've had conversations with guildies of all life ranges about this; usually it's received well. Only occasionally do we get someone who feels martyred.
Priestess Apr 5th 2010 3:38PM
Yeah, you have a good point there. It should probably be flashing the "Immature!" warning. I'm willing to admit I'm very sheltered and haven't met many immature adults in my round of WoW, so my first thought was those teenagers I'm constantly running into... you know, the ones who flip out on vent when they hear a female voice and can't push their buttons until I stop talking. Or who feel that their OMGWTF so-bad highschool day is the beginning of the end of their lives and they have to tell everyone about it, in detail, for hours. THAT also needs its own channel IMO, lol.
/Eyeroll