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4-09-2010 @ 9:24AM
"If you're not familiar with the term, a Mary Sue is a character who is overly idealized, has few or no actual flaws and functions as a wish-fulfillment or fantasy for the author."You forgot the most crucial requirement of all - it has to be a character you don't like.As far as I can tell, the only thing separating a character like Med'an from Superman is how much they are loved, which is about as objective and controllable as a quantum reaction. That's why I always /eyeroll whenever the term is brought up.
4-09-2010 @ 9:40AM
The distinct difference between Med'an and Superman is that while Med'an was a superpowerful character wedged into an existing world, Superman was created as the center of his universe. You can't be a Mary Sure if you were the main character of the story from the beginning. A better comparison would be if Superman suddenly joined the X-Men, defeated all the villains singlehandedly, and then took over the team out of the blue. I doubt their readers would find that particularly agreeable.
4-09-2010 @ 9:45AM
Sagretti took the words out of my mouth there, and said it much better - what a Mary Sue! ;P
4-09-2010 @ 10:08AM
Well, he did single-handedly win World War II for the Allies.
4-09-2010 @ 10:17AM
@Sagretti: I think main characters can be Mary Sue's if they don't have any character problems at all and are never in risk of any actual danger.Superman is kind of unique though, because most of his problems and risks aren't exactly apparent. At the begginning of the comic, his risk was being exposed as Clark Kent and trying to balance a personal life with his superhero life, but he was never in harm's way when it came to battle. Later on Kryptonite was introduced, and even later foes like Apocalypse and Bizzaro presented Superman with physical dangers. Ultimately even when he won the fights though, his overcaring nature is an often looked-over character flaw that prevents him from ever putting a permananent stop to any of his enemies. Even Superman would have been a Mary Sue if at the end of each fight when he had the upperhand he just bumped off anyone that opposed him, he'd run out of enemies very quickly, and even most of his fights would end much quicker if the fight started with him looking at the opponent's head and explodiating it with his laser eyes. :P*grabs a mop and bucket and cleans up everything that was geeked on*
4-09-2010 @ 10:28AM
I think the problem is that the term Mary Sue has become a blanket term for badly written or excessively perfect characters, rather than for characters forced into an existing story. I personally dislike Superman as a character, as his writers have to continually invent ridiculous scenarios or rationalizations for why he can possibly be at danger. See five billion uses of some type of kryptonite. However, I still don't think he's a Mary Sue, just a character made for a simpler age.If Knaak wrote about Rhonin as a character in some world that wasn't Warcraft related, he'd just be a terrible character. But since he overwrites established lore of Warcraft and outdoes the existing main characters, Rhonin becomes a Mary Sue. Unfortunately, one that is Blizzard approved.
4-09-2010 @ 10:38AM
Sorry, man. I love Honor Harrington, but the girl's a Mary Sue.It's not always someone you don't like.
4-09-2010 @ 11:23AM
"I personally dislike Superman as a character"Yeah, Martian Manhunter all the way.
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