Cataclysm Class Changes: Feral druid analysis, part 3

We want to add tools to cat form and depth to bear form. If a Feral cat is going to fill a very similar niche to that of a rogue, warrior or Enhancement shaman, it needs a few more tools -- primarily a reliable interrupt. Bears need to be pushing a few more buttons just so the contrast between tanking and damage-dealing is not so steep.
...We plan on giving Feral cats and bears a Kick/Pummel equivalent -- an interrupt that is off the global cooldown and does no damage. We feel like they need this utility to be able to fill the melee role in a dungeon or raid group, and to give them more PvP utility.
...We plan on giving Feral cats and bears a Kick/Pummel equivalent -- an interrupt that is off the global cooldown and does no damage. We feel like they need this utility to be able to fill the melee role in a dungeon or raid group, and to give them more PvP utility.
We definitely need an interrupt that's not a finisher. Having Maim and only Maim for that purpose has had two unfortunate effects in PvE: a). destroying cat damage on fights where we have no choice but to interrupt, and b). subjecting raids to unnecessary damage when Maim's on cooldown and there's nothing we can do about an enemy cast. Bash on the global cooldown has also been a needless irritant for bears, particularly given the button-mashing quality of feral tanking these days.
I would have much preferred that this were a ranged interrupt for the purpose of not wanting to kill myself over the farce that is pulling in bear form, but to be honest, a lot of the druid changes (beyond the three new abilities) are pretty vague, and it's possible that whatever we're getting is going to be a ranged interrupt or will function that way in bear form. We'll see.
We will be buffing the damage of Mangle (cat) significantly so that when cat druids cannot Shred, they are not at such a damage-dealing loss.
This is a way to deal with one of feral PvP's biggest ongoing complaints; all you really have to do to survive cat damage is just keep casually flipping your character so they can't stay behind you. While this doesn't remove that problem, it does mean that cat damage will be less of a joke while you're facing them.
It'll also be a very welcome boost to the damage done by players who are DPSing while on a bear spec without Shredding Attacks (e.g. an off tank switching to cat once his/her target has died). Without the talent, Shred's just too expensive to use outside of Omen of Clarity procs.
We want to make sure Feral and Balance druids feel like good options for an Arena team. They need the tools to where you might consider a Feral druid over an Arms warrior, or a Balance druid over a mage or warlock. Remember that the PvP landscape will probably look pretty different for Cataclysm with a focus on rated, competitive Battlegrounds.
Hot on the heels of what's mostly a cat PvP-related change comes this statement. Feral and balance PvP have definitely not performed as well as Blizzard had hoped in Wrath. Then again, they've never really performed all that well, and I have to wonder if they ever will, given the limitations imposed by the shapeshifting mechanic. The problem with druid shifting is that, in addition to putting you in a form (and it doesn't even matter which!) in which you lack most of your abilities, it's also a self-imposed mana drain. None of the animal forms have the utility or damage that another hybrid class can pump out, let alone a pure one. When it comes to feral, you've got a weaker copy of a rogue and a weaker copy of a warrior at your disposal, and the whole is less than the sum of its parts.
I don't know. The statement itself is really not much more than one of general intent with which everyone can agree. We all want balance and feral PvP to do better, and we are all equally vague on exactly how that is going to happen.
We want to make the Feral cat damage rotation slightly more forgiving. We do not want to remove what druids like about their gameplay, but we do want to make it less punishing to miss, say, a Savage Roar or Rake. The changes here will be on par with increasing the duration of Mangle like we did for patch 3.3.3.
The Mangle change alone was a huge boost, although anyone who had a "Mangle bot" before the change went live was already enjoying its benefits. I'm interested to see what they do here to make the rotation easier, although I'm a little worried that it may involve nerfing cat damage along the way. It's pretty tough to make a mistake less of a punishment to the rotation without making the missed skill a smaller DPS contribution. Is it possible we'll see more up-front white damage from cats in Cataclysm -- the opposite of the change they're trying to make to rogues?
Bleed Damage and Savage Defense: Feral druids will receive two sets of passive bonuses depending on whether the druid is in cat or bear form. Bleed Damage will be improved for cats. Savage Defense is the current bear mechanic for converting crits into damage absorption and will be improved for bears.
No surprises here. Mastery bonuses are exactly what we expected to see, and Ghostcrawler later confirmed that feral will have both bonuses, but not at the same time. If you're in cat form, you'll get the cat's bonuses to melee damage, melee critical damage and bleeds; if you're in bear form, you'll get the bear's bonuses to damage reduction, Vengeance and Savage Defense.
Are cats receiving a similar change for Savage Roar and their UI, or is this going to be completely rogue specific?
It will most likely apply to cats as well.
Has there been any consideration on giving druids cat form at an earlier level? Similar to how hunters will start with a pet at level 1, and shamans getting a melee attack at 3.
It won't be super low level, but we might switch the levels at which you get cat and bear.
It will most likely apply to cats as well.
Has there been any consideration on giving druids cat form at an earlier level? Similar to how hunters will start with a pet at level 1, and shamans getting a melee attack at 3.
It won't be super low level, but we might switch the levels at which you get cat and bear.
UI issues have definitely been a big part of why cat DPS isn't really consistent across different players (the default UI is awful for the spec), so any help is definitely a good thing. That said, combo point counting is nowhere near the big deal that watching multiple debuffs has been, so I doubt we'll be abandoning Ovale or BadKitty anytime soon.
Switching up cat and bear form would definitely improve the currently miserable druid 1-20 leveling experience, although I do wonder about the advisability of taking a potential tank class out of the running for the low-level dungeons. Then again, it's only levels 15-20 we're talking about. Otherwise, I'd love to see them do something about the feral leveling experience; the late arrival of skills like Mangle, Maim, Lacerate, Savage Roar and now Thrash means that the pre-50 druid plays almost nothing like a druid in the end game, and the class is the poorer for it.
That wraps up the feral changes we know about right now, but we'll keep a close eye on the forums and alert you to any additions or clarifications made.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Nagrim Apr 10th 2010 4:10PM
Incoming shroom jokes!
Bovinebill Apr 12th 2010 9:46AM
I'm leveling a kitty druid now, and totally agree with what you said about the default UI. I would love to see a "pimp your UI" as it relates to feral druids (cats and bears, for that matter). Otherwise, great insight!
BoB Apr 10th 2010 4:18PM
Ok, firstly, I like the picture for part 3. Lastly, Nagrim is RIGHT and trip shrooms (we need a awesome name for it)
Coldbear Apr 11th 2010 1:39AM
hells yes on the picture.
more buttons for cats and feral pvp - UGH. I'm out. No Cataclysm for me most likely. Too much adding and adding and homogenizing. Too much BUTTON OVERLOAD.
UI overload too, but at least there's something in the works. Meh. You all enjoy.
Gothia Apr 11th 2010 4:22AM
@ Coldbear
"Can I have your stuff?"
Save your tears for someone that cares, maybe mommy, because I for one don't. Negative people are NEGATIVE. Change is difficult, but also adds a different aspect to the game experience that you may not have expected and this experience may keep more players or cause players that have "never" considered playing a Druid try them out.
The choice whether to or not to pay your monthly subscription has always been yours alone. Why try to burden other with this choice?
Elmouth Apr 17th 2010 1:28AM
Hey I don't get this "MUST HAVE MOAR BUTTONS" mentality either, why should all the classes be complicated.
Simplicity is a nice thing to have in a game where you have to be maxing everything to the micro cellular level
hpavc Apr 10th 2010 4:18PM
What a horrible change, the idea of taking anything from warlock demonology tree and applying it to any class is a bad idea.
"Tree of Life is changing from a passive talent to a cooldown-based talent, similar to Metamorphosis"
philster043 Apr 10th 2010 4:47PM
I finally had to log in for the first time ever to comment that the 'Nerf Me' paragraph gave me the best laugh I've had in a long time. Thanks for that.
As a leveling 49 feral druid, I appreciate this article and I am extremely glad they are looking at adding an interrupt to the cat's repertoire. That's definitely been missing. I also think a few additions to the bear skill bar was needed. Looking forward to seeing how it all pans out.
formercustomer Apr 11th 2010 12:04PM
Given Blizzard's track record with the last two expansions, Cata will offer feral druids something to make them viable in competitive PvP, the warriors and rogues will scream nerf, Blizzard will nerf feral back to the point they have to spec resto if the hope to win in competitive PvP. I will be watching the forums, waiting for the cycle to repeat itsself yet again.
styopa Apr 10th 2010 5:02PM
Personally, I always thought the 'bear first' form order was kinda dumb - or I guess it could just be that lowbie ferals didn't understand that their sole dungeon role was tank. How many lowbie pugs have had another class as tank, and had the druid 'dps'ing in bear form, and constantly pulling aggro because maul does major threat?
Rams Apr 10th 2010 5:02PM
You and Tyler both use the "came out of left field" phrase in your posts, and while it was well placed in both posts, I wouldn't have thought to use it right away in either case.
Kinda like both of you showed up to school wearing the same thing.
Everybody Apr 10th 2010 5:10PM
I'm going to agree and say I'm a little worried about Stampeding Roar being hit by the nerf bat.
The old unholy aura for death knights was flat-out removed, but passive boosts and cooldowns are completely different beasts.
themightysven Apr 10th 2010 5:17PM
maybe you can use a shroom to LoS pull, if it's on a timer, plant it, go around corner, ???, profit
Anye Apr 10th 2010 5:33PM
Thanks for the post, Allison...
Vengeance - I think a lot of people are missing the big picture on the numbers on this. Sure, tank health never scales as well as DPS attack power. But as tanks, we will now be getting AP from Vengeance *as well* as our gear. At any rate, dishing out threat will certainly be easier than it is now.
Kitty Rotation - My best guess is that they will increase the durations on some of our abilities, hopefully especially SR and Rip. Personally I was hoping for some ability that refreshed the duration of our DoTs, but I guess that would be too easy-mode for some people. At any rate, the relaxed rotation on Kitty (along with the terrible news about Tree... sniff sniff...) will probably have me moving my off-spec back to Feral DPS.
Bear Form - Did you notice that they didn't mention the change to crit immunity? This seems like good news--it would be really bad to druid tank utility to pull crit immunity out of Savage Defense and into a specific form. It would make brez tanking an even riskier proposition.
Mort Apr 11th 2010 5:05AM
"[]..it would be really bad to druid tank utility to pull crit immunity out of Savage Defense and into a specific form. It would make brez tanking an even riskier proposition."
I'm sorry, what? Crit immunity is tied to a specific form. Bear form. As long as you have 3/3 Survival of the Fittest, that is. If you're not in bear form, you're not crit immune. If you're not spec'ed into SotF, you can't be crit immune as a Druid, not even in Bear (unless you go out of your way to gem for defense). Shifting out to caster form makes you squishy, even in a Bear spec.
And Savage Defense is the Bear equivalent of block.
Anye Apr 11th 2010 1:38PM
Yeah, beats me what I was talking about. :P I must've been distraught over Tree of Life, and not in my right mind.
I did mean SotF, not Savage Defense. And I could've sworn that I had read the tooltip and that it suggested crit immunity was always-on. But it clearly doesn't read that way now. So I guess it's just fine if crit immunity just rolls into bear form.
Anecdotally, I've always had such good luck popping out of bear and brezzing (during e.g. Onyxia, Icehowl, etc. when they were current tier) that I figured I must've had some extra protection. Guess I'm just a pimp tank--or very lucky. ;)
Gundera Apr 10th 2010 5:58PM
"Possibility of some raid member making a stupid substance-related joke every time this is used: High."
High, indeed.
Mohsus Apr 10th 2010 7:15PM
HA!
I see what you did thar and love you for it
Sedirex Apr 10th 2010 9:01PM
Allison Robert continues to be the best writer Wow.com has. Mentioned everything I thought of and more.
tolandruth Apr 10th 2010 11:10PM
I can't wait til i can attack a worgen with my kitty