Know Your Lore: Current Horde politics -- the Forsaken, page 2

Yes, all forms of life. This means not just the Scarlet Crusade, but also the rest of humanity, the Alliance, the Horde and every player in the game. Everyone.
There were some suspicions regarding the Society's motives and regarding the Forsaken themselves, but by and large, Sylvanas and her people were left to their own devices. The Horde, it seemed, were clueless. It made very little sense to me as well, but the Burning Crusade attempted to expand a little more upon the Forsaken's odd activities, as well as shed some light on Sylvanas herself.
Somewhere between the fall of the Sunwell and the beginning of Burning Crusade, Sylvanas traveled to Quel'Thalas for her own reasons and ended up running into a former high elf named Dar'Khan Drathir. Dar'Khan held the distinction of being the greatest traitor known to the high elves, now blood elves -- he pledged his loyalty to Arthas and helped him slip through the Quel'Thalassian defenses. Dar'Khan was after Anveena, the human embodiment of what remained of the Sunwell -- and Sylvanas intended to stop him from doing it. While she wasn't successful, she did manage to distract him long enough for Anveena to regain her power and get rid of him. Sylvanas agreed to keep Anveena's identity a secret, not wanting Arthas to catch wind that the Sunwell he'd destroyed wasn't quite gone after all.

While initially tentative and unsure of her motivations, the blood elves eventually agreed to an alliance largely due to their own dwindling numbers and need for aid (and perhaps the slow realization that they were just as alone and isolated in the world as the Forsaken were). In addition to the alliance, Sylvanas went to Thrall and convinced him to take the blood elves in as allies under the Horde banner. Other than the forces in Tranquillien, the Forsaken were largely quiet for the Burning Crusade expansion, though there were rumors that Sylvanas traveled to and from Northrend either to scout for a possible attack on the Lich King or to establish a base in the north.
It wasn't until the end of Burning Crusade that the Forsaken showed up in force in Shattrath to "help" with the ongoing zombie infestation that signaled the beginning of Wrath of the Lich King. After all, who better to combat a seeming plague of undeath than the undead? The leader of the forces in Shattrath was Grand Apothecary Putress, a chief apothecary of the Royal Apothecary Society who was working on a cure for the plague that triggered the zombie event. Putress, appearing from seemingly out of nowhere, had never been seen until that point in time, and it was assumed he was just another apothecary, a clever one who had managed to work his way to the top.

Putress was under the opinion that the Forsaken never truly received the respect they deserved, that his people were doomed to a destiny of being seen as nothing more than living corpses to be reviled and looked upon with disgust, even by their supposed allies. He eagerly took on the task of creating the new plague of undeath but soon fell in with Varimathras and began to plan a coup d'état to remove Sylvanas from her throne and forcefully take control of the Undercity. Vengeance, in Putress' mind, was not enough -- he wanted the world to bow at his feet.
The Royal Apothecary Society worked tirelessly on the new plague that was developed for use in Northrend, called the Forsaken Blight, to perfect it so that it would be effective against Arthas and his Scourge ... and any living that happened to get in the way. Once completed, the blight was unleashed at Angrathar the Wrathgate, not only against Arthas but also against the combined forces of the Alliance and the Horde. It was only the efforts of the red dragonflight, whose flames neutralized the blight, that prevented it from spreading further and annihilating the living for good.

The attack was over, and while Sylvanas was in control once more, her abomination guards, which were created by the Royal Apothecary Society, were quickly replaced with the orcs of the Kor'kron Guard in an effort to keep a closer eye on the Forsaken. The Kor'kron are incredibly rude to undead players that speak to them:
However, Sylvanas seemed largely unconcerned, her focus being turned to something much larger: the eradication of the Lich King. She moved from the Undercity to Northrend, to lead an assault on Icecrown Citadel and hopefully destroy Arthas himself. After facing off with Arthas in single combat, Sylvanas realized that the Lich King's powers had increased so much that defeating him alone was impossible.
- I bet you rotters thought you were pretty clever at the Wrath Gate, didn't you? Playtime's over. We're here to make sure you don't try anything.
- What's wrong, bonebag? Looking for someone else? I'm all you've got now, so if you want something, make it quick.
- I'll tell you what you need to know, but I don't have to like it. We're watching you and your kind.
- Doctor Herbert Halsey is who you want. Just don't try anything funny. Any more of that plague nonsense and you'll find an axe in uncomfortable places. (when asking where the alchemy trainer is located)

So, it is done. I had not dared to trust my senses. Too many times has the Lich King made me to be a fool. Finally, he has been made to pay for the atrocities he imposed upon my people. May Azeroth never fail to remember the horrible price we paid for our weakness, for our pride. But what now, Hero? What of those freed from his grasp but still shackled to their mortal coils? Leave me. I have much to ponder.
What now, indeed. There are still several questions that remain unanswered surrounding the Forsaken, and there are several theories that could arguably be in play:
Sylvanas' redemption Sylvanas, over time, has begun to grow a little more heart. The addition and acceptance of the Forsaken to the Horde has softened her perspective on the living. The help from the Horde during the Undercity's capture and more notably in achieving the vengeance against Arthas that drove her all these years may have also had a hand in convincing her that an alliance with the living is not only possible but preferable to simply killing them all. The death of Arthas quieted the vengeance that burned in her heart, and now it is possible for her to approach the days ahead with hope for her people's ultimate acceptance by society.
Sylvanas' vengeance Sylvanas, possessing an incredibly shrewd and tactical mind, allied with the blood elves in the hopes of increasing the Forsaken's numbers as the blood elves slowly died out from magic withdrawal. However, the Horde was still breathing down her neck, and in addition, Varimathras was proving a more irritating presence by the day. To this end, she turned a blind eye to his machinations, fully aware that he was staging a coup -- and when he "took over" the Undercity, she quietly allowed it to happen. After all, not only would she be getting rid of a thorn in her side, but she'd look very much the helpless victim to her Horde "allies,' and the "betrayal" would absolve her of any involvement with the Forsaken Blight at the same time. With the death of Arthas, she and her people can now turn their attentions on bolstering their numbers, one corpse at a time -- as soon as they get rid of the pesky Kor'kron littering their halls.

Sylvanas' plight Sylvanas has no idea what's going on. She had a very solid reason for leading the Forsaken -- revenge against the man that tortured both her and the others she leads, the creature that cursed them to an un-life of grief and regret. But her people, who were at first so loyal to her cause, have turned against her, and with the one reason for her people's survival now taken care of, Sylvanas is left to deal with the aftermath of that betrayal. Without vengeance, what does Sylvanas have to drive her? Without the support of her people, how will she lead them to anything greater? And were the Forsaken working against her completely destroyed, or are there others that seek to undermine her rule? What are Sylvanas and the Forsaken as a whole supposed to do now?
The Forsaken are at a shaky crossroads, politically speaking: the trust they earned by working with the Horde was all but obliterated by the events of the Wrathgate. The Dark Lady seemed to have an iron grasp over her people but evidently underestimated those in her midst and lost control, leading to her flight from the Undercity. It can be argued that her loss of control is a major playing factor in current tensions between the Horde and the Alliance, which is why the Kor'kron are now watching the Forsaken so closely. Thankfully, Warchief Thrall is a decent sort who can definitely identify with dissension in the ranks and the merits of beating a tactical retreat. He wouldn't hold something like a temporary loss of control against her, much less view it as an act of cowardice.

With imminent approach of Cataclysm, the Forsaken are the Horde faction that raise the most questions. With the quest for vengeance now over, will the Forsaken begin to work more closely with the Horde and try and atone for the mistakes made during the Wrathgate? Will we see the Forsaken splinter even further away from the core of the Horde and turn their efforts once more to eradicating the living? Will Sylvanas find a new cause for her people to rally under, or with the absence of Arthas, will she simply fall apart like Maiev, a huntress who is nothing without the hunt? Will the Forsaken find themselves accepted or even more ostracized than before -- and if the latter, how will they react? Will their tentative alliance with the Blood Elves strengthen, or will the restoration of the Sunwell remove any reason for association with the Forsaken? Most importantly -- what are they up to now?
Cataclysm should address at least some of these questions. Hopefully with the introduction of Gilneas and the worgen to the Alliance, the Forsaken will find themselves with new enemies to butt heads with instead of turning on their own -- but only time and the new expansion will tell.
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Reader Comments (Page 6 of 6)
michaelpilbeam Apr 11th 2010 11:31AM
Great article. Alot of information I never really thought about until now. Thanks.
Delita Apr 11th 2010 1:48PM
"Their actions are hardly forgivable in the case of the humans, but one has to keep in mind that the crux of the conflict between the two was a matter of perception; the humans viewed the Forsaken as creatures no better than the mindless Scourge that had wiped out a good chunk of the population. The Forsaken assumed that the hostilities were something that could never be overcome, and so instead of trying to reach some sort of reasonable accord, they simply killed everything that stood in their way."
Except they were overcome. After Detheroc was killed and the mind control on Garithos and his forces in Lordaeron was dispelled, they ALLIED the Forsaken to retake Capital City from the dreadlord Balnazzar. It was Sylvanas and her undead who after the battle betrayed the humans and took Capital City for their own. It's not a matter of perception, things were very clear, the Forsaken willingly made themselves enemies of the Lordaeron forces there and by extension the new current Alliance and Scarlet Crusade.
Goarther Apr 11th 2010 2:44PM
When the Lich King died, it relinquished the control he had over the scourge, hence why Bolvar had to become the new Lich King. During that time wouldn't some of the scourge have regained their senses and be free, meaning they could be recruited to the forsaken? And I have the impression that Bolvar/Lich King is reigning in the scourge, so maybe he will let some of the smarter ones regain their mind and go to the forsaken?
If this is true then the forsaken will have higher numbers, and with the coming conflicts between horde and alliance, I doubt the horde would give up a giant undead army.
stevenwoodworth Apr 11th 2010 2:48PM
Better the devil you know. This is why Thrall brought The Forsaken into the horde. Make them an ally instead of an enemy. Why have to worry about two groups of undead when you would only have to worry about one. If you bring one group into the horde then you solve that problem.
And from Garrosh's point of view, if you can control and point the Forsaken you've got quite the weapon on your hands and now his Kor'kron are in the Undercity making sure that weapon stays in check.
Susinko Apr 11th 2010 3:25PM
Okay. I have a question for you guys.
I have been sent to kill humans, dwarves, ect by the Forsaken. I have never been sent by the Forsaken to kill any of the Horde races.
I have seen humans, dwarves, and gnomes in the Forsaken's prisons and holding cells. I have never seen any Horde races in Forsaken prisons and holding cells.
I have seen and helped the Forsaken experiment on humans, dwarves, dogs and gnomes. I have never seen nor helped the Forsaken experiment on the Horde races.
With the exception of Wrathgate in which Forsaken that were a splinter group of the main race killed members of the Horde, I have never seen the Forsaken harm even a member of the Horde.
Why does everyone think that the Forsaken are out to kill off the Horde as well?
Anne Stickney Apr 11th 2010 3:48PM
http://www.wowhead.com/quest=3569
Othor_NL Apr 12th 2010 7:38AM
How about the forsaken becoming a third faction?
Tabasa Apr 12th 2010 9:14AM
Extremely unlikely, if for no other reason that it'd be ridiculously hard to implement properly game mechanics-wise.
How would you feel if you were told that any Forsaken characters you've rolled are getting a forced faction change, yanking you out of whatever guild or group set up you've established up to that point? Add to that the balance issues for PvP, both in having to ensure that the Horde and Alliance race count doesn't get thrown out of whack, as well as this third smaller faction being hopelessly outnumbered in that regard.
MightyBurebista Apr 12th 2010 4:12PM
I actually wouldn't rule it out, as it has been theorized by people here if the Blood Elves and Forsaken could secede from the Horde and form a truly "evil" faction so that the Horde is no longer regarded as the evil side. But at this point, with Garrosh leading the Horde ever farther from the peaceful teachings of Thrall who had to leave in disgrace, and towards an ideology of conquest by warfare, castes like the Belfs and Forsaken are right up his alley (they wouldn't have had quite so privileged a position had Thrall remained warchief, at least as far as the Forsaken are concerned).
Urgata Apr 12th 2010 10:43AM
One other quest chain that shows how the Forsaken work to "help" their Horde allies starts with
http://www.wowhead.com/quest=1372
I suspect this may be missed by a lot of Horde players (since it begins in Duskwood).
Razorstorm Apr 13th 2010 11:03PM
Just a thought regarding understanding the mindframe of the Forsaken. I'm of the opinion that they have been inextricably changed, psychologically as well as the obviously physical components, by their transformation.
Consider: (These are some assumptions here, feel free to call me on them)
- The undead around the world seem to have an instinctual desire to kill the living. I'm assuming this transcends the control of the Liche King.
- The Scourge still gain strength from savagely consuming living flesh (Cannibalism). This to me implies that the above undead urge to kill the living continues.
- I get the impression that their memory of their life feels like a distant memory, though these events did not happen all that long ago.
I don't think they FEEL human anymore. I think they regained their free will, but not their humanity. I think this hatred of the living may come from from the fact that they are now free willed undead that still have a desire to kill, except now they have free will, and a painful memory of a previous life that only makes them angrier.
Just my thoughts.