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4-28-2010 @ 2:06PM
So will we finally get the language barriers removed in WoW, or at least the ability to learn another language "skill"?There is currently nothing stopping cross-faction communication (you can have a level 1 alt on either faction), and with this new battle.net friend system the language barrier is largely obsolete.
4-28-2010 @ 2:07PM
the language barrier *will be* largely obsolete.
4-28-2010 @ 2:12PM
I disagree. The barrier exists in full effect for everyone that hasn't chosen to accept you as their friend. So unless you have more than a handful of friends playing on the opposite faction, this change won't mean much in terms of communicating with that faction.
4-28-2010 @ 2:16PM
If I made an undead friend (IF!!), he better not holla me back with all that gutterspeak bra...
4-28-2010 @ 2:19PM
Moonfax is right. The language barrier stops you from saying to random hordies, "Hey...I need more kills in the Cauldron of Flames for my Wintergrasp Ranger achievement. Wanna trade HKs?"Sure, if happen to have a friend on the same server with an appropriate leveled Horde you can still technically do that, but do you really want random Horde and Alliance being able to pug their way to PvP achievements together?
4-28-2010 @ 2:33PM
I've been a long proponent of a Brewfest quest where you pass out and wake up naked in an opposite faction city, with a buff making you neutral while you search for your clothes and some flowers or something to apologize to the person whose home you woke up in. The quest reward would be the ability to learn that race's language. I think it would be awesome.Also, I think druids should be their own faction with their own language, but that's a topic for another thread.
4-28-2010 @ 2:42PM
Blizzard,I vote Grimolf for lead quest designer, 2010. Thank you.
4-28-2010 @ 3:09PM
"I disagree. The barrier exists in full effect for everyone that hasn't chosen to accept you as their friend. So unless you have more than a handful of friends playing on the opposite faction, this change won't mean much in terms of communicating with that faction."I would like to be able to understand them if I really wanted to, though. My point is, if I really REALLY need to, I can currently go roll an alt and just /w them. Now I can have friends to talk to cross-faction, and even ask those friends to /w someone or /s something on my behalf. There really is not much of a barrier anyway, and it seems kind of dull for language skills to just "be there" but have so many routes around the barrier anyway."Moonfax is right. The language barrier stops you from saying to random hordies, 'Hey...I need more kills in the Cauldron of Flames for my Wintergrasp Ranger achievement. Wanna trade HKs?'Sure, if happen to have a friend on the same server with an appropriate leveled Horde you can still technically do that, but do you really want random Horde and Alliance being able to pug their way to PvP achievements together?"The only problem with this thinking: there is nothing stopping it now, only slowing it down, and it will become even less of an inconvenience when the new Battle.Net friend system is put in place. As I said above in this comment, replying to Moonfax, you can do EXACTLY what you are saying already, and it will be easier in the future. Do I want them to pug their way to PvP achievements? No, but (I assume) this is being done already, so in my mind that little bit of sacredness is compromised.What I want is one good reason why you shouldn't be able to communicate cross-faction that the current liberties with cross-faction characters on PvP realms, the Battle.Net friend system, and ventrilo do not completely circumvent.To me, RP realms would be more immersive with this. Battlegrounds and arenas already have people who trick the system with reverse-engineered messages ('I love you' and whatnot), and please tell me it would not further your desire to kill the enemy faction if they were just as annoying as all the trade chat trolls, AND you could understand their taunts, but you knew there was opportunity to go out and find them with a red name for some payback.
4-28-2010 @ 3:24PM
Moonfaxx, I miss you.Come back into my life.
4-28-2010 @ 3:45PM
"What I want is one good reason why you shouldn't be able to communicate cross-faction that the current liberties with cross-faction characters on PvP realms, the Battle.Net friend system, and ventrilo do not completely circumvent."Uh...the scenario I already laid out where strangers are involved?Like I said...we understand that people can get together with their friends under the "right circumstances" and do easymode PvP achievements (like killing 20 mounted players in WG or something).What they CANNOT do is just stand around Dal yelling, "LF Hordie to stand in WG while I shoot at you."Do you really think that the "potential" to circumvent the language barrier when playing with your friends justifies removing it completely?Think of the achievement Duel-icious and how little it means because anyone can get it by trading duels with random strangers in Goldshire, etc. I would prefer if all PvP achievements didn't become a matter of chatting up the nearest Horde to lay down and die for you.Another reason? During legitimate PvP, I really don't want to get whispers from random pissed of strangers on the other side when they're losing (or idiotic gloating when they're winning). I hear enough crap in our own /bg chat without having to hear the other side cuss me out, too.Can they go through the trouble of making a level 1 alt to harrass me with? Certainly. You have to look at "probability" though. While this is possible, it's not as likely that they will do that as it is if they can just type /t Cutaia.
4-28-2010 @ 4:08PM
@CutaiaI suppose we will just have to disagree then. To me, achievements are nothing worth preserving if you can already game the system. Blizzard has expressed that achievement points will never have any worth other than an "oh, cool" factor. If you can already game the system, the "oh, cool" is gone from it anyway.On the other side, languages as a skill is something many people, and many more RP players, have been longing for. To me, the 'benefits' of the barrier are all in the past, and many things the proponents of the language barrier cite as advantages are merely preventing annoyances in specific situations, and mostly situations where annoyances already exist."Another reason? During legitimate PvP, I really don't want to get whispers from random pissed of strangers on the other side when they're losing (or idiotic gloating when they're winning). I hear enough crap in our own /bg chat without having to hear the other side cuss me out, too."To me, the fact that our own side is already annoying, coupled with the fact that anyone cross-faction who REALLY wants to get under your skin will figure out a way (/y spam, or translator tricks), means that this is a non-issue. Clearly, you do not agree, but I just wanted to respond.
4-28-2010 @ 4:29PM
@EliHelp a brother out! What name will I recognize you by? :P
4-28-2010 @ 5:08PM
"I suppose we will just have to disagree then"I wasn't really disagreeing, per se. You asked for specific examples of things that cross-faction communication would allow that wouldn't be possible via battle.net friend lists and ventrillo, so I gave a couple.But if you insist that we *have* to disagree...I suppose I'll oblige:If you contend that the occasional "N O G O A L" yell from a hordie is even remotely close to the amount of irritation you'd have to put up with if they could whisper you instantly and directly...you're quite simply mad as a loon.
4-28-2010 @ 5:20PM
@ DaetherSo, to make this a straw man arguement, simply because drug smugglers find ways to smuggle drugs in the country despite laws and law enforcement, we should totally just allow it, right?Also, if I'm not mistaken, the language barrier was put in to stop the kind of smack-talking (cutaia) is talkig about. I know that what I really want is every horde member being able to gank me, then sit there and harass me via text, too.And lastly, the language barrier, if nothing else, keeps the horde and alliance identity going. If all that is different between the two factions is association, with open communication between all of us (and no, being able to only talk to the people I trust enough to friend on my Bnet account is not the same, not even close) then why the hell should we even have factions on non-pvp servers?
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