Spiritual Guidance: The GearScore is a lie, Page 2

Shadow priests are fairly lucky -- it's hard to screw up a lot of our gear without actively working to do so. Most cloth items just don't have stats on it that are absolutely useless to us. (Compare that to a shaman like mine, who is carrying around an ugly mix of elemental spellpower gear and attack-power-loaded enhancement gear.)
If there's anywhere we're going to make mistakes, it's in trinkets. It's a pretty forgivable error, since most trinkets deal in procs. It's hard to guess which is better than which with a quick glance. Let's get something straight now, though: The trinkets you can buy with emblems stink for shadow priests. Read that last sentence again. Memorize it. Save your emblems.
The item level 245 Talisman of Resurgence is one of the banes of my existence. So many spriests wind up using it simply because it's easy to buy with Emblems of Triumph. The passive intellect part of the trinket provides virtually no benefit to us (it's worth approximately 28 spellpower). The real benefit from it comes from the on-use part (ugh). Overall, it theorycrafts out to be worth approximately 128.0 points worth of pseudo-spellpower. If you take a look at a good, up-to-date gear list (like the one at shadowpriest.com), you'll see that it's bad enough to not even rank in the top 20.
It is noticeably worse than the farmable Abyssal Rune (Trial of Champions regular), the Nevermelting Ice Crystal (Pit of Saron heroic) and even the blue quality Forge Ember from heroic Halls of Stone.
Choosing the Talisman of Resurgence makes your GearScore better, but it makes your DPS worse. (Even the item level 264 Purified Lunar Dust performs worse than the level 200 Abyssal Rune.) Is it really worth playing under your ability to appease someone else who values you so little as to reduce your self worth to a simple number?
There's got to be a better way to do things ...
Yet another column on this topic here at WoW.com isn't going to change the world -- that I know. Still, a large number of you all are regularly pugging content, and this stupid GearScore metric is a constant part of your world. As someone who pugged his way through most of Wrath, I have some advice.
- Never chase after GearScore. Others will use it to judge you -- don't use it to judge yourself. When I think that someone felt pressured into buying the Talisman of Resurgence despite knowing there were better options out there, I feel like throwing up. You'll always be better served in picking gear that maximizes your performance, not what some lazy PUG leader thinks of you.
- If a PUG is built solely on GearScore, it's going to be a bad PUG. Okay, sure, that's a broad generalization, but there's a lot of truth to it in my experience. Anyone can get decent gear these days with emblems -- even ICC-level gear is purchasable through emblems. A PUG built solely using GearScore is a PUG built solely around people who do nothing more than meet the minimum requirement. And while the 35-year-old meth addict next to me on the bus may meet the minimum requirements to be president for the United States ...
- The real information is found by reading between the lines. Gear is, of course, always going to be important. But did you know that a smart PUG leader will also take a quick look at your enchants and gems, and actually value your knowledge of your class over your four-digit GearScore? True story, kids. Neither enchants nor gems contribute to the traditional GearScore rating, but most raid leaders don't want a 5500 GS shadow priest with a plus agility enchant in their raid.
- Reputation is everything. There are plenty of successful PUGs out there, and they don't revolve around randomly picking people based on GearScore. The best organized PUGs revolve around reputation. My shammy has a horrendous gear score. Based on GearScore, I barely qualify to run heroics. Still, because I've performed well in PUGs before on other characters, because my guildies know me. Because I've built some cursory relationships with regular PUG raiders and leaders, it's not hard to find a group. ("We need one more? Hold on, I know this writer from wow.com we can get. No seriously, he's a good player, even though he works for wow.com.")
Perform to the best of your ability, don't be a jerk to the people you're randomly thrown into groups with, and make smart gear choices. Do those three things consistently, and your GearScore will be irrelevant. I promise.
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Reader Comments (Page 5 of 8)
Doma Apr 29th 2010 12:21AM
Making a raid shouldn't be easy. It shouldn't be for inexperienced players with an Addon. It's for experienced, knowledgeable players who understand and can explain the fights, as well as being able to distinguish between good and bad players.
The experience and knowledge of the Raid Leader, should have a direct effect on the quality of a Raid, from AQ40 to Kara to Sunwell to ICC25. That's why he/she's the leader. When you take the time to pick good players, instead of high GS numbers, it will show up when you're actually in an encounter.
blindlinus Apr 28th 2010 11:43PM
here is the nifty thing about GS: if you go into options and enable "show gearscore in chat," then when you click on the number that shows up it will bring up that persons gear like an armory page. it doesn't always show a persons GS and sometimes the armory page doesnt load, but to be able o just check someone's gear without alt tabbing is nice.
Hoggersbud Apr 29th 2010 2:41AM
You can also use /gs though you'll only get an up to date picture if they're in inspection range. Otherwise if you have a cached version you'll see that. Or if somebody in your guild does I guess.
Nitride Apr 28th 2010 11:47PM
ElitistGroup is much better as it takes a "gear score" concept and applies it to roughly equivalent dungeon/raid content. So you can tell if someone's gear is about where a particular instance might be passable.
It also shows achievements in dungeons/raids, which gives an idea of *experience* to go with the gear level of a player.
It also shows you what type of enchants and gems are either appropriate, missing or inappropriate for the given active "spec" of a player which you can also see (or both for dual-spec).
If you see someone with a high GS and use EG on em, you may see they have on a lot of PvP (Arena) gear and haven't even done any ICC 10 content yet.
It definitely helps. Plus you can sync ElitistGroup with other guild members and rate recent grouped players (to recommend or avoid later).
PrincessRosario Apr 29th 2010 12:23AM
When people ask for my gearscore, I say "good enough." If they don't accept that, then I probably don't want to be in their raid anyways.
Neyssa Apr 29th 2010 5:16AM
They ask your GS because that is something exact, and not just 'good enough'. What most people consider good enough is that others are better than him, and they will carry his medium dps / heal out his moderate hp, avoidance / or be better tanks so his heal is just enough.
I think it is fine in places like VoA. Tuesday me and my boyfriend organized a class run. I am a tank, he is healer, we knew not much can go wrong. The rest of the group was so low geared (someone even told me that I will surely kick him if I inspect him but please trust him, he knows what to do so I said OK sure, and he made 3000 dps), I mean like blues and greens (for GS fanatics, we were both around 5800, and none of the rest was above 4500), and although it took an SS and a combat rez, we did kill Toravon for the first try.
However, if you want to do progress in new raids like ICC, this would not work. Read the above comments, and if you hate GS, link something of yourself you are proud of (any achiev, BiS, mana pool, crit, whatever you prefer).
CaryEverett Apr 29th 2010 10:30AM
I usually just say "Higher than you"
It usually works, and I get the invite.
Then I check the raid leader, and see that he is wearing lvl70 PvP gear, and BC blues, with maybe two or three lvl72 quest greens.
Then I leave the raid.
... How the hell do you get to level 80 without even picking up greens from a higher level zone than borean effing tundra?
Bananacup Apr 30th 2010 1:06AM
Agreed.
"what is your gs"
"higher than what the gearscore addon recommends for this raid"
waylander Apr 29th 2010 12:36AM
holy shit I gave my sticks points as well =D
Longtime Lurker May 21st 2010 11:17PM
I once ran a VoA 25man on my Rogue Alt... I finished 2nd in DPS and Damage done... After we finished, some folks wanted to do a 10man ICC, so I dropped group and reformed with them... When they realized they had 1 too many DPS, they asked for GS, and I got kicked (not sure what mine was, I don't use the mod)...
I whispered my Recount log to the Group Leader, and told him "Good Luck... you're gonna need it..."
brian Apr 29th 2010 2:23AM
People keep making a big deal about choosing the player not the gearscore.. But I only run pugs, and have never really met a bad player with a high gearscore. Idk. :/
Gormaggus Apr 29th 2010 2:36AM
Gearscore is irrevocably flawed.
We must obviously swap to StickScore, which is by far the superior method of measuring a player's ability to run raids.
berry Apr 29th 2010 3:04AM
I deleted GearScore, Dalaran is a bit less laggy now. :)
Don't care what my GearScore is, I never had any problems getting into Pugs. If they want to judge my abilities based on an achievement or a score in advance, I'd rather not spent time with them.
Easy.
Bob Apr 29th 2010 3:57AM
The italicized text on this literally made me lol. XD
Swampy Apr 29th 2010 3:25AM
GS has made WoW an even bigger shaft measuring contest. It kinda crazy what a profound impact this addon has had on the game. I see people so obsessed with their GS number that they equip higher item level trinkets which put them 3% over hit cap. It's just ridiculous.
Yeah, it kinda sucks, but GS not going away, and there's no sense trying to convince people not to pug based on GearScore. Let's say you're forming a VoA25 and you only have 30 minutes left before Wintergrasp and you need a healer. You're going to put out in trade "LF Healer for VoA25" and then you get two whispers from two Shaman healers who you've never seen before. One has 5300 and the other has 4800. Which one are you going to invite? Are you going to spend time looking both these guys up on wowarmory to analyze their trinkets and gems? Will you then compare their achievements against one another to see who has more raid experience? Hell no, because you don't have the time. You want to get the raid formed and you pretty much assume the guy with the 5300 GS will get the job done. Maybe the guy with 4900 is actually the better player but it doesn't matter because your instinct tells you "bigger is better".
Cloee Apr 29th 2010 3:51AM
When I opened Wow.com today and saw one of my favorit collum, beeing Spiritual Guidance, i was excited as usualy because they are usualy well written commentarys about Priest. Don't get me wrong, I am not playing a Priest but I prefer to keep myself updated on healing classes because its quite essential to have a solid healing team in the guild as well as in pugs.
When I started to read the collum i was getting proportial more irritating the more I read, up to the point that i felt that I have to reply.
For gods sake pull yourself together and writer proper articels instead of this.
Research the subject.
You have been making wild claims and accusation that are at best randomly made up if not plain wrong. Particular statements like "I dont even have the addon" bother me the most. You want to rent about Gearscore, fine, then first of all I suggest to make some practical experience with it instead of taking some idiots behavior as granted.
I don't have anything against a good made complain about a tool that is heavily abused for the wrong purpose but this was one the worst. It becomes pretty quick pretty obvious that you dont know anything about the addon at all, so i guess I'll break your little "we all hate gearscore addon" to bring you some details.
Pro: Gearscore saves the Armory, which allows you that you can look at people without having them to get to a specific place. Saves alot of time and efford on both sides.
Con: The data may be PVP, or otherwise specific gear, this however can be easy fixed by using your eyes.
Pro: It has a integrated listing that actually weights the stats according to the priority of the spec. Okay, the listing might be not always perfect and a flat ranking of priority doesnt consider things like caps, however that is a point of bad development as it can be fixed, as they did for hitcap. You can also see directly if they have "wrong stats" on their gear, much quicker and more effiect then by scrolling through the items.
Con: There are other programs who can do that and will ever cover gems and enchants, such as elitist group
CON: It makes people fixed on GS instead of getting proper gear. Yea, I give that point, but stupid people do stupid things, with or without gearscore. Although i would go so far that they choice might be not as extremly terrible if they have at least a little, even shitty, guidance and wont try to put agility on their back since it will decrease their "effective gearscore" (yea, the point that there is an effective gearscore was somehow totaly left out. it does consider enchants and gems, what are we talking here, GearScore Beta release?)
Pro: You are able to spot stupid people much easier. Maybe there should be a modification of GearScore that measures if people just put items in for GS and then shows a rating of how bad that sucks.
Now seriously, its a tool, people are too dumb to use it properly, that not really something I like to read on spiritual guidance. It feels like its just said to suit the general uneducated "we have gs" crowed and its lame.
I strongly suggest you make a new collum called "Pain Supression: How Priest deal with stupid people around them" and move the article there, leaving Spiritual Guidance to more relevant topics such as ... healing.
Cloee Apr 29th 2010 3:57AM
Oh and concerning experience: It does show that too. Again my point: If you want to rant about something that's fine, make sure you know what you are talking about though.
Would be a good topic for the addon collum to take an actual look at gearscore sometimes, look at the fuctions and the code and give some better quality comment on the subject then "tradechat complaining".
Kay Apr 29th 2010 8:38AM
it's "Column"
Sorry, that just really bugged me.
Fox Van Allen Apr 29th 2010 9:47AM
I ... don't even know where to begin.
willowblue Apr 29th 2010 11:55AM
Trying to read your gibberish and maintain some semblance of rational lucidity has given me a migraine. You win, troll. You win.