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4-30-2010 @ 10:37AM
You know, the more I read the arguments from both sides, the more I really suspect this debate has less to do with space and design and more to do with how you cut your teeth in fantasy gaming. I would heavily wager that those of us who think 10 mans feel more epic are tabletop veterans in the D&D mold, who are used to having anywhere from 3-8 "raiding" places like the Temple of Elemental Evil, the Demonweb Pits, etc. Something I keep reading over and over again--and agree with wholeheartedly--is the sentiment that there is nothing "epic" about strolling into a joint surrounded by 24/39 other people to kill something, no matter how scary lookin' the joint and/or thing in the joint is. I mean can you freaking imagine rolling up on Lolth with 39 level 14 1st edition D&D characters? Yeah, she might be freaking *Lolth*, but that doesn't even seem fair. And it seems like those of us who feel that way play/ed a LOT of D&D-esque games.I think this even applies to people who just came of age playing single player cRPGs like Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest, etc. (Hell, even stuff like Castlevania where it's just ONE GUY--or girl, screw IGA's retcons--literally storming the castle.) I think this also applies to people who never gamed at all before WoW and just read a lot of fantasy novels in the Tolkien mold. Yeah, a lot of times in these stories, there will be epic battles between armies at some point, but more often than not the pivotal battles/confrontations end up being the Hero/ine with or without hir small, ragtag group of friends vs. the Big Bad. Even in the Warcraft universe, for every Battle of Mt. Hyjal you've got stuff like Grom and Thrall vs. Mannoroth, Orgrim Doomhammer vs. Anduin Lothar, etc.On the other side, it seems like people who are natural born wargamers are more likely to feel it's NOT epic unless you've got a small army for a raiding party. FWIW, I'm not saying that one group is necessarily more a fan of 10 or 25 man raids than the other, I'm just saying that from the very subjective idea of "feel", it seems like there's correlations.
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