Drama Mamas: How to befriend when antisocial
Dodge the drama and become that player everyone wants in their group with the Drama Mamas. Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are real-life mamas and experienced WoW players -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your server. We're taking your questions at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
We'll get to the drama in a minute, but first I must talk about the awesome avatars that the awesome Kelly Aarons of Byron and World of Warcraft, Eh? fame has awesomely drawn and painted for us. Awesome. See them after the break.
Yeah, yeah. You want drama. We've got your drama right here. The thing about WoW (and MMOs in general) is that while you may be able to solo through it, the most benefits are reaped by at least a minimum of social interaction. We are answering a letter this week from someone who isn't very friendly but still wants to make and keep friends in Azeroth. Try not to get too distracted by the awesome avatars. Awesome.
Dear Drama Mamas: I've been playing WoW almost since it came out, with a few months of breaks in between. During that time, I usually had 1-5 friends on a server I was playing on, and was even in guilds. However, at some point in '09 or '08, I stopped making new friends. Well, that's alright, I'd say, since I had friends and didn't really need more. And, one by one, I lost contact with them, either due to arguments or simply lack of conversations. I ran out of friends a few weeks ago. A part of this could be my altoholism -- I have dozens of mid/high-level characters across different servers, and will often jump from playing one character for a week for another one. (A part of that could be lack of friends/guild, a nice little cycle.)
So, the question is, how would I make friends? I'm a hard person to like, I realize that, but I don't think it's impossible. I have the "don't dick around and be serious" mentality (which should not be confused with the humorless or unforgiving ones); which goes against most of the player-base I've seen, other than in the most "hardcore" groups. I mean, I have such high standards for RP, I can't even stand up to them; and I will damn most of those who don't, but try. I have enjoyed a few people while farming heroics, but they were often on other servers or didn't get 'attached'. I realize that this is getting way too long, and makes me sound more whiny than I'd like, so I'll just try to summarize..
How do I make friends, when one is not considered a fun person to be around, and finds well-balanced, happy people annoying, how to keep them, and how to survive in a guild? -- Signed, Antisocial
Drama Mama Robin: Antisocial, I can relate to your viewpoint. For many years, I was of the opinion that I am who I am and people had to take me that way. I believed that having only a friend or two was fine. I thought that good friends were precious and being popular was shallow and for other people. I felt that standing by my convictions and good taste were the signs of a strong character and good person. I was and you are right, to a point. We should be true to ourselves, but that doesn't mean we need to loudly announce our opinions at every possible opportunity. It took me a long time to learn that, and I still struggle with it. But I get along better with more people now, allowing me more opportunities for happiness and growth.
Anti, if you really want to make and keep friends, you're going to have to make some changes in your behavior. Here are some suggestions:
Drama Mama Lisa: Robin's a sweetie -- and while we live and work miles apart, I do consider her a friend. Can't you feel that "I've got your back, girl" vibe radiating from her replies? (Then again, she made sure her new Horde avatar got the pole position in the article. Horde bias rearing its ugly head? Oh, the drama!)
But your vibe, Antisocial? Anti, I suspect your vibe is something closer to Ally Sheedy's character in The Breakfast Club. You seem to be using your "antisocial" label as a shield. However, I suspect your issue is less with people in general than with particular people.
While I agree with Robin's suggestions about warming up to others, I'm not so sure that's the ultimate direction you want to go. It seems to me that you need to spend some time searching for "your tribe" -- a group of like-minded players that takes whatever they do as seriously as you do. You seem to have a deep appreciation for hardcore roleplaying; there are certainly groups out there who would welcome another devotee to their flock. However, I don't think "hardcore" is necessarily the key trait you should look for in any type of group you might be considering joining. Many "hardcore" raiding guilds, for example, maintain a level of snark between pulls that would most likely drive you up the zone walls. My suggestion would be to look toward goal-oriented groups of mature players -- raiders on a limited weekly schedule, hardcore roleplayers or even a group that you've built yourself that focuses on some team-oriented goal.
Ultimately, you may not find that every member of any group you get involved with is as serious-minded as you are. Still, if you're not feeling assaulted by snarkiness and buffoonery from all sides, you may find yourself relaxing and lightening up. I do think you may find the change a stretch -- but I don't think you'll find it a leap from the cliff, either. There's bound to be a group somewhere out there you can tuck into, with people willing to meet your overtures halfway. Good luck in your search!
Drama Buster of the Week: If you think you got kicked from a guild unfairly due to a misunderstanding or lies or whatever, do not go on a griefing campaign out of revenge. The best way to prove them wrong is to be a class act. Respectfully ask for a hearing and calmly state your case. You'll not only have a better chance of reinstatement (if that's what you want), but other guilds will also think better of you.
Remember, your mama wouldn't want to see your name on any drama. Play nice ... and when in doubt, ask the Drama Mamas at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
We'll get to the drama in a minute, but first I must talk about the awesome avatars that the awesome Kelly Aarons of Byron and World of Warcraft, Eh? fame has awesomely drawn and painted for us. Awesome. See them after the break.
Yeah, yeah. You want drama. We've got your drama right here. The thing about WoW (and MMOs in general) is that while you may be able to solo through it, the most benefits are reaped by at least a minimum of social interaction. We are answering a letter this week from someone who isn't very friendly but still wants to make and keep friends in Azeroth. Try not to get too distracted by the awesome avatars. Awesome.
Dear Drama Mamas: I've been playing WoW almost since it came out, with a few months of breaks in between. During that time, I usually had 1-5 friends on a server I was playing on, and was even in guilds. However, at some point in '09 or '08, I stopped making new friends. Well, that's alright, I'd say, since I had friends and didn't really need more. And, one by one, I lost contact with them, either due to arguments or simply lack of conversations. I ran out of friends a few weeks ago. A part of this could be my altoholism -- I have dozens of mid/high-level characters across different servers, and will often jump from playing one character for a week for another one. (A part of that could be lack of friends/guild, a nice little cycle.)
So, the question is, how would I make friends? I'm a hard person to like, I realize that, but I don't think it's impossible. I have the "don't dick around and be serious" mentality (which should not be confused with the humorless or unforgiving ones); which goes against most of the player-base I've seen, other than in the most "hardcore" groups. I mean, I have such high standards for RP, I can't even stand up to them; and I will damn most of those who don't, but try. I have enjoyed a few people while farming heroics, but they were often on other servers or didn't get 'attached'. I realize that this is getting way too long, and makes me sound more whiny than I'd like, so I'll just try to summarize..
How do I make friends, when one is not considered a fun person to be around, and finds well-balanced, happy people annoying, how to keep them, and how to survive in a guild? -- Signed, Antisocial
Anti, if you really want to make and keep friends, you're going to have to make some changes in your behavior. Here are some suggestions:
- Talk before you type. Assuming you're not on voice chat of some kind, try saying out loud the things you want to type in chat. Perhaps just saying them so that only you can hear them will be enough for you, so that fewer inflammatory statements will actually make it to your friends.
- What are you trying to accomplish? Ask yourself this before you criticize. Do you think the person's behavior will actually change or are you just trying to vent your opinion on the matter? If you are just trying to be heard with no constructive goal in mind, then don't actually make the criticism.
- Can you reword it? Tact is hard, but it can make a huge difference. If you really think you can help someone by your remarks, try to word it as positively as possible. This will take practice. And if you can't frame a particular statement so that it will be received well, perhaps just save it for next time.
- Roleplay a friendly person. You mention that you RP, so this is really a great option for you. I am pretty much unable to flirt in physical form, but when I roleplayed my flirtatious bard in EQ, I was Flirty McFlirterson. (Actually, my name was Eponyne Songtart, but you know what I mean.) I highly recommend making a friendly, perhaps even dumb, character. A fictional environment is an excellent way to practice your social skills.
But your vibe, Antisocial? Anti, I suspect your vibe is something closer to Ally Sheedy's character in The Breakfast Club. You seem to be using your "antisocial" label as a shield. However, I suspect your issue is less with people in general than with particular people.
While I agree with Robin's suggestions about warming up to others, I'm not so sure that's the ultimate direction you want to go. It seems to me that you need to spend some time searching for "your tribe" -- a group of like-minded players that takes whatever they do as seriously as you do. You seem to have a deep appreciation for hardcore roleplaying; there are certainly groups out there who would welcome another devotee to their flock. However, I don't think "hardcore" is necessarily the key trait you should look for in any type of group you might be considering joining. Many "hardcore" raiding guilds, for example, maintain a level of snark between pulls that would most likely drive you up the zone walls. My suggestion would be to look toward goal-oriented groups of mature players -- raiders on a limited weekly schedule, hardcore roleplayers or even a group that you've built yourself that focuses on some team-oriented goal.
Ultimately, you may not find that every member of any group you get involved with is as serious-minded as you are. Still, if you're not feeling assaulted by snarkiness and buffoonery from all sides, you may find yourself relaxing and lightening up. I do think you may find the change a stretch -- but I don't think you'll find it a leap from the cliff, either. There's bound to be a group somewhere out there you can tuck into, with people willing to meet your overtures halfway. Good luck in your search!
Drama Buster of the Week: If you think you got kicked from a guild unfairly due to a misunderstanding or lies or whatever, do not go on a griefing campaign out of revenge. The best way to prove them wrong is to be a class act. Respectfully ask for a hearing and calmly state your case. You'll not only have a better chance of reinstatement (if that's what you want), but other guilds will also think better of you.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Owen Apr 30th 2010 2:02PM
My tactic of making friends was to use lots of winky faces...I stopped when i realized most of the people I was talking to were 30 year old guys, praying that I was the 14 year old sweetheart they've been looking for their whole WoW lives.
Tomatketchup Apr 30th 2010 3:32PM
I'm Chris Hansen, please have a seat.
zappo May 3rd 2010 9:14AM
OK, maybe this will sound stupid, but it does work. Watch people who you consider friendly (but don't talk to over vent or whatever) and more often than not you will notice that they do add smileys to text a lot. It sounds silly, but if you add an occasional well timed smiley to text you really will appear more friendly.
Yeah, and the winky require care when using. Otherwise you end up with Zaboo at your doorstep.
threesixteen Apr 30th 2010 2:08PM
What's the protocol involved if you have a multiple number of toons in a guild but you want to take one of your toons (your main, let's say) and move to a 25man hardcore raiding guild?
for the past few months a top guild on my server has been asking me to join them for 25s. tho my current guild runs a couple 10 man teams with decent success (one team downed Blood Queen, my team is on Princes) i just feel like i need to see what it's like to be in a top tier raid guild even tho my current guild is filled with great people and offers a really entertaining environment. i'm concerned that my leaving (i'm an officer and a long time member) will result in the requested expulsion of all my toons.
is it really so bad to want a taste of the hardcore world?
Balmer Apr 30th 2010 2:24PM
The thing to keep in mind is that while any guild leader wants the best for their guild, Great guild leaders want what is best for their Guild members.
It might be a good idea to talk to your guild leader about this and see how they react. Let them know that you aren't wanting to abandon your current guild for another, as you would still want to keep your other toons there.
And above all remember, that you are the one paying for your subscription and should do what you feel is best, and if your guild calls for the expulsion of all your toons, then that is their loss.
spiderpk Apr 30th 2010 2:25PM
It depends on the guilds involved.
For example, one guild on my server doesn't allow anyone to PuG any progression raids on any toons. On the flipside, the top progression guild on the server has people with well-geared alts in other guilds (even opposite faction guilds).
Find out what the guilds involved expect, make sure you know what you want, and then ask yourself if the cost for getting to do what you want is acceptable.
Draelan Apr 30th 2010 2:42PM
You could try testing out the waters by waiting until a bunch of people are on, then discussing this with them. Do not indicate what you've decided, just talk about the positive aspects (getting to see 25-man content, potentially being able to help guide your current guild through 25-mans if they decide to do them), and the negative aspects. (pulling your main out of the guild.) It should give you a good feel for what other people think of the idea of you leaving. Part of it might also be your own actions. Are you going to demand that one of your alts be promoted to Officer (if they aren't already)? Are you still going to run 10-mans with them? Are you going to offer to help train a replacement to fill your 10-man raiding spot?
The best you can do is talk to your guild about your situation. If they are your friends, it shouldn't be a big issue, really. If it IS a big issue? Well, then you've got to decide which you prefer.
Docp Apr 30th 2010 2:18PM
Kelly Aarons is awesome.
I'm jealous you've got your own personalized avatars =P
Irem Apr 30th 2010 2:21PM
Those avatars are pretty awesome. :D
This column now has a cross-faction "The View" vibe going on.
Rhabella Apr 30th 2010 2:34PM
@Irem,
Luckily for Azeroth, neither faction is nearly as crazy as the ones Elizabeth Hasselbeck and Rosie O'Donnel represent.
CaryEverett Apr 30th 2010 7:42PM
Needs more Female Tauren.
RetPallyJil Apr 30th 2010 2:26PM
"Horde bias?' You wouldn't be making fun of my letter to the editor, wouldja? Because that would be uncool.
(cutaia) Apr 30th 2010 3:18PM
I have to ask:
By "letter to the editor" are you just referring to your constant accusations in the comment sections, or did you actually write them about it?
Richardboone Apr 30th 2010 2:34PM
The Avatars are AWESOME and HOT. You go girls.
BigDumbFace Apr 30th 2010 2:44PM
And you go boy! Now. To a therapist. Seriously, seek help.
galestrom Apr 30th 2010 2:58PM
Hey, pixels can be sexy... can't they? I'm pretty sure there's an entire industry that revolves around that premise. =)
FWIW, I concur. They're awesome and hawt. Ms. Aarons has definitely leveled her artistry skill well beyond 450.
Erzfiend Apr 30th 2010 5:29PM
I also love the addition of the avatars! Looking forward to seeing them in future additions to Drama Mamas!
IvanP91 Apr 30th 2010 2:38PM
Antisocial? Sertraline 200mg for about a month (not to people under 18 for drug reasons)
and you will be all around people w/o problems. After all who cares about internal problems when your personal life is p e r f e c t.
Ethan Apr 30th 2010 8:36PM
Sertraline is the generic name for Zoloft (they had the ad with the adorable sad bouncing balls). It's often prescribed for social anxiety.
Meg May 1st 2010 1:02AM
While Ivan was far less than tactful or fair, he does have a tiny point.
I tend to have issues much like Antisocial up there; I am irritable around people, I get angry easily, I have quick and extreme mood swings, and am generally unpredictable, grouchy, frustrated/ing, and not a lot of fun. What helped for me was therapy - both on the couch and from the pill.
Getting your brain's chemicals in-line with prescription therapy has far too much stigma for something that can literally save your life. I firmly believe that a medical and psychological approach can help almost anyone who is antisocial and hates feeling that way. It's not always the best thing for everyone - especially youngsters and teenagers - but don't be afraid to turn to a doctor for help. It can improve your quality of life SO MUCH, it did for me and it did for my mother.