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4-30-2010 @ 4:40PM
I might be missing something, but the idea of 121212 would defeat the point of the new Eclipse, as I'm understanding it. With each spell cast, the other discipline gains a buff, but the original discipline doesn't lose anything. If I'm spamming Wrath, I'll keep hitting right around that average damage number, constantly adding a little more buff to Arcane. Then it becomes a betting game: At what point do I unleash all this pent-up Arcane benefit to bring a hammer down on a foe. Will it be the killing blow? Will it only focus 100% aggro on me and I die? Will it proc a buff on a Cataclysm boss if I smash it with such a high level of buffed Arcane (or Nature)?Also, the little slider must be influenced by damage dealt, not just numbers of times cast or mana spent. It'd be no fun at all to know "I cast four Wrath to move the slider two ticks and two Starfire to move the slider three ticks" or whatever. If it's damage related, it'll be a little more chaotic, unpredictable, and enjoyable if you somehow master each individual encounter to whatever end you wish to exhibit.Perhaps the Eclipse slider gravitates toward balance? Or was that already revealed to be not true? That would make sense, keeping you from storing up a big buff in Arcane by nuking bunnies in Teldrassil so you can unleash 100% more damage on that unwitting elite elsewhere.Do we know if the new Eclipse is going to also increase mana cost for the buffed spell? I haven't seen anything pointing to that, and it'd be a change in mechanic, but maybe that'll be another element of the spell choice decision. If you don't use a spell of the alternate school, you'll be stuck burning your mana pool in one or the other... Maybe.
4-30-2010 @ 5:12PM
There is nothing thus far to indicate that casting a spell to use the buff would cause the entire Eclipse meter to drain. Not say that it isn't possible, but doing so would just be bad in practice. Either way, doing so probably wouldn't stop the 121212 rotation at all, and it certainly wouldn't cause balance druids to want to shift between both sides. If casting a buff spelled drains the Eclipse meter, then it is far more likely that druids simply won't go to the end of either bar. They'll cast one or two Wraths then a Starfire, rinse, repeat. Unless there is some absurd scaling on the buff (such as a single Wrath only grants a 1% bonus but casting 7 Wrath's grants a 20% bonus) then there isn't going to be any reason to chain-cast to buff a single spell.Balancing the scale around damage done is a great system, it just has a very major flaw. It is excessively difficult to balance out a resource system that relates towards damage done. Although the scaling gear issue is mostly to blame for it, look at how damage scaled in WotLK. Players were going 4k low end and 6k high end DPS in Naxx and now they are going 8k low end and 11k high end in ICC. Balancing a system around such wide variables to where it functions well in both extremes is excessively tricky. It would probably be easier to do for Eclipse than it was for Rage since Eclipse doesn't influence our ability to use spells, but it's still a very steep balancing margin. Further, a system where Wrath casts grant slide the Eclipse scale by a factor of 5 and Starfire by a factor of 10 (to use completely arbitrary values) doesn't have to be flat - nor would it. Haste would change how rapidly you gain or expend the Eclipse scale and crit could also influence it by causing a large shift. This adds the element of RNG into the equation, to where you'd have a 'rotation' but it would be somewhat flexible, and allows for the resource to scale. Also keep in mind that DoTs and Starfall should slide the scale as well. Thus far, there has been no mention of any form of drawback on Eclipse.
4-30-2010 @ 10:47PM
@szassDo you have to be such a douche? He's speculating about what the new eclipse will be like and how it will affect our gameplay. He's not whining, just uncertain about whether or not it will do what it's supposed to, like almost all balance druids are. Apparently you've never been around when a new expansion/game is coming out - People will speculate about it, ESPECIALLY if its changing the way they're playing now. If you don't like it, then don't read it, and please stop trolling.
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