Cataclysm: Must find dungeons before they appear in the Dungeon Finder, attunements possible
by Adam Holisky 
May 3rd 2010 at 12:50PM
- You will need to discover the dungeon first before it will appear in the Dungeon Finder
- It is possible heroic dungeons will require attunements
- The internal gear checking will be stricter for Cataclysm heroics than it is for current Wrath heroics
DraztalLooking to Cataclysm, maybe you want to know that, for normal dungeons, players must discover the dungeon in the world prior to access it from LFD tool. It is possible that you could see attunements for heroics and raids (which would be similar to the one of Karazhan). Developers arent sure yet of whether they use attunements or not. However, heroic dungeons at level 85 would probably have more gear requirement (in comparison) than heroic dungeons at level 80.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
jten11 May 3rd 2010 12:54PM
Wow, bringing attunements back? Very interesting, indeed
Barinthos May 3rd 2010 1:04PM
Attunements were one of the most annoying things I had to do pre-wrath. If they have to add them, leave them to the heroic raids IMO.
But at the same time, it'll go hand in hand with the stricter gear checking for the DF, meaning people that really shouldn't be there, aren't.
Fox May 3rd 2010 1:19PM
I think attunements are fantastic because of the immersion the quests and attendant events provide. And having more in-game lore attached to the raids is always a good thing.
However, once I've done it on one character, it's probably better for the attunement to be optional on any further alts. Thus, they could perhaps use the BoA system much as they do currently with the Tome of Cold Weather Flying or, say, Sons of Hodir rep. You would complete the attunement on one character, and then could use the BoA item to attune any alts.
Ian May 3rd 2010 1:20PM
Maybe the attunement requirements will be super easy, like returning the flag in WSG or capping a tower in AV.
(Those things are easy, right? I was told that they were...)
Cyanea May 3rd 2010 1:25PM
Are you implying that raiding attunements shoud be based on ensuring the other 24 idiots in your raid get to the objective rather than just dick around midfield, picking up honor points?
We're fucked.
Titusx May 3rd 2010 1:33PM
The thing that made attunements kind of a bad thing was the fact that most people would run others the same dungeons over and over and over again in order to get them to the same point. This made people that where more "advanced" or done all together with the process feel burned and tired of doing the same thing. With the dungeon finder tool this could be resolved quite easily by anyone, just qewe up for the dungeon you need and wait for the tool to sort it all out.
The dungeon finder just makes dungeon quests and/or attunement runs simpler a a lot more streamlined... lets just hope it doesn't become a massive grind fest.
Sunaseni May 3rd 2010 1:49PM
Making attunements BoA destroys the point of attunements in the first place. Attunements are supposed to prove that *that character* is ready for the content. What's the point of them if some bank alt can be grandfathered into a heroic run just because that same account has a character who can? That'd hardly be fair to skilled players who for some reason or other can't get attuned (and thus don't have the gear to meet the dungeon finder).
It'd be similar to Emblems as they work now. While it'd be convenient to give emblems to your alts, it's currently supposed to be earned by playing the alt. Unless Blizzard changes their stance on this, attunements will be needed to be done by all characters.
ash May 3rd 2010 1:55PM
I think with the new LFG dungeon tool and some sort of BOA attunement this might be okay. They are still going to have to adjust for people who join the game late and have to catch up from scratch. Maybe the LFG dungeon tool is enough to take the headache out of this process, but I am guessing at some point in the future the attunements will need to be revised just like they did in TBC. In which case all this is really meant to do is re-introduce more gating of content.
Magic May 3rd 2010 2:03PM
I'm a big fan of bringing attunements back into the game.
The BC attunements that required a certain reputation with each faction to purchase the key to the heroic version of instances was a great way to ensure players learned the instances / boss encounters as well as acquired appropriate gear before starting the heroic version.
As far as turning the attunements into heirloom pieces so you don't have to repeat the process, I half agree. You've already experienced the lore and know the instance inside and out, but there's still the gear requirement for entering heroics with your alts. Here's where the gear score check would be a nice solution.
I think the pre-heroic and pre-raid phase for players does need to be a little more 'grindy' than it is currently so players don't feel like their non-heroic and non-raid gear is so expendable. Maybe then they'll take the time to properly gem and enchant the gear if they feel like they'll be using it for a few weeks rather than a few hours.
Vonbaron May 3rd 2010 2:22PM
A very awesome thing indeed for another reason entirely! If I understand this right, does this mean we will be able to pick and chose which dungeons I get for the random dungeon finder? I.e. I will no longer have to do Gundrak over and over and over again if I don't attune myself to it? Cause that would be amazing!
Matt May 3rd 2010 3:13PM
@Barinthos
If I had to guess, I'd say that they "attunements" will be more along the lines of what currently exist for the ICC 5-mans...
You can't get to the Pit or the Halls without doing the "attunement" quest.
The attunements in BC were awful... requiring tons of grinding to just get into a heroic... then you had to do it on multiple characters... I really hope they don't go back to that. But if it is something like the ICC 5-mans I won't mind.
Nex May 3rd 2010 3:04PM
Having to discover a dungeon before having it in LFD screams to me "i don't have to do the dungeons i hate & i can only discover the ones i like and then queue for them randomly."
i like that and game wise, it's a good change, cos u can sit in your capital city from lvl 15 all the way 80 without ever experiencing the beauty of the game world, which will get even better in cata.
Azizrael May 3rd 2010 3:35PM
A short (5-6 quests) chain to unlock the heroic, win.
Grinding rep to buy a key, nah.
adyuaa May 3rd 2010 8:25PM
A very simple attunement process: do the dungeon on normal once. That's probably a good idea anyway.
PoS and HoR have attunements. Do the previous dungeon in the series. Almost everyone can complete that questline. A side benefit is that people who don't like one or both can exclude them from random selection by never doing the quest. Attunement doesn't have to be a pain, and it can be used to make things easier.
jbodar May 3rd 2010 8:28PM
@Matt
I agree. The ICC 5-man attunements were good, they just need tighter gear restrictions. I still need to lock myself to HoR before queing as Tank for Random Heroics to lessen the chance of being chosen to tank it in a not-quite-there Tank set. A lot of randoms have problems in it and I'd rather not impose wipes on other people.
I like the idea that you should have to complete the dungeon on Reg and run easier Heroics before you can run the most difficult ones.
Calebe May 3rd 2010 10:02PM
Attunements are fine just please for the love of god make sure they DONT involve the buggiest dungeon in the game!
SamLowry May 3rd 2010 11:08PM
What a great idea! I'll send an alt I don't really care about to try each new instance, and if I don't like any then I'll make sure my mains never "discover" them.
Gothia May 4th 2010 5:56AM
Getting attuned can't be that hard since they will be tuned to an 80 wearing blue gear. However, rep grinds are a pain in the butt, but will be a way for Bliz to place a time period for control access to Raids so they probably will implement these constraints to slow down guilds especially if the attuned must be met by every single member of the raid.
Meldrum May 3rd 2010 12:56PM
The whole discovering the dungeon first sounds like a bad idea to me tbh. Since the RDF came out i've used it constatly on lower levelled alts as a way of fast levelling.
Meldrum May 3rd 2010 12:57PM
I totally didn't even finish off my point.
I aswell as alot of other people most likely won't bother with it after these changes.