Gold Capped: Casual auctioneering

Making money in game can seem complex. Well, it is. The real pros have addons and UI customizations most people would never bother developing, keen understanding of the chains of supply and demand in the in-game economy, as well as inordinate amounts of time to spend in the auction house. What if you're just out to fund your epic flyer, though?
If you're reading my column to see whether there's a cap on the amount of gold you can stuff into a guild bank, chances are you've already carved out a niche for yourself. If, however, you don't plan on spending any more time in the AH than you absolutely need to, what can you do to make more money there than you make grinding dailies?
Let's look at the characteristics of the kind of business that best suits the part-timer, or someone with limited interest:
- Low up-front investment: you want to be able to start without having to grind and do dailies to get start-up capital
- Minimal risk: you don't want to lose money, you want to make it
- Low complexity: if it requires three addons and the need to write macros to be profitable, it's not easy money
Making money has never been easier. Blizzard has had years to work on quality of life improvements that have delivered us unprecedented ease of doing business. Significantly, the auction house now contains, as a base, some of the very functionality that we used to rely on addons for: the ability to post multiple auctions at the same time.
Market swings
Market prices swing reliably week over week. Tuesdays are big raid nights, and Saturday and Sunday have the most people playing casually. This leads to certain items being reliably more expensive or cheap one night or another.
- Things raiders need will sell for higher prices on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Look into gems, enchantments, flasks, potions, enchanting mats and stat food.
- Things raiders sell tend to get cheaper that day -- specifically Primordial Saronite, which is in much higher supply when people get their weekly ration of Emblems of Frost. I wouldn't suggest trying too hard on this one, though, because these things will only drop in the long run. Still, week to week, you can count on the supply being much higher on Tuesdays than, say, Saturdays.
- Things that 10-man PUGs need are in higher demand on Tuesdays and Saturdays: Drums of the Wild, Forgotten Kings and Runescroll of Fortitude all provide buffs that are often missing in 10-mans.
- Raw materials (herbs, ore, leather, etc.) all tend to be cheaper early in the mornings.
Simple conversions
Sometimes people sell things for less than what you can convert them to. I'm going to include some common ones that require tradeskills here; however, if you don't have access to the required skill, see if your friends do.
- If you see Cobalt Ore selling for 25g a stack where the bars are going for 40g a stack, smelt them with a miner and sell the bars.
- If you see Borean Leather Scraps going for less than one-fifth of the price of Borean Leather, you don't even need a leatherworker to convert them.
- If Borean Leather is going for less than one-sixth of Heavy Borean Leather, find a leatherworker to make that conversion for you.
- If Heavy Borean Leather is less than one-tenth of the price for an Arctic Fur, visit Braeg Stoutbeard in Dalaran and you can trade them 10 for 1, no trade skills needed.
- If Frozen Orbs are going for less than anything Frozo sells (notably Crusader Orbs, Runed Orbs and Eternal Fire), buy the orbs and sell the trade-in.
- If Crystallized Fire is more than one-tenth of Eternal Fire (same goes for any other elemental), you can break the eternals down and sell the crystals.
The best market you have will probably be the trade skills you have access to. No matter what level they are, most crafting professions have something they can make for a profit. A large number of posts I've written so far have been about how to use trade skills to make money. Even if you have a gathering profession, see if any of the conversions you can make are worth money.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
JoyRelic May 5th 2010 8:06PM
Lol @ these being swampped too ... Now where is my niche. It needs to be obscure and in some dark damp cave where no one will know .....
Sadakosan May 5th 2010 8:13PM
Definitely good information here... if you're a casual player and just want to see some good gold income here and there, these are good bits of advice. I see some nice returns for the Runescroll of Fortitude on my server, for example. Just gotta find that item type easy to get mats for (farming mats for RoF is super easy as an example IMO.) and know what days are going to be more popular for buyouts, it's really not that hard to do.
Swifteye May 5th 2010 9:29PM
I can very much attest to the point about leather, herbs and ores being much cheaper in the early morning. I seem to hit the sweet spot around between 4 and 5am Pacific time (the one thing my wonky work hours are good for!), can snap up anything... as an example (since I just did it a couple days ago), I got a ton of stacks of Thorium Ore for 10-20g apiece at about 4am. At 6pm that night the cheapest stack on the AH was 60g, I relisted and made a killing.
Same goes for herbs and leather, as was stated.
I'm finding more and more that I make the most money off of herbs and leathers from the level 40-60 old-world zones and mobs. I can only assume that this is because people need them for profession grinding, yet hardly anybody is farming them because those levels are tedious and people are just instancing the heck outta them in an effort to get to Outland and Northrend. My main farmer is an Herbalist/Skinner, and on my server I could more than fund my epic flying on Rugged Leather and Sungrass alone.
Just sayin'! Love these articles, by the way; I don't use addons and I'm definitely no auction house pro, but I get by comfortably, and I love that whole market aspect of the game. :)
ToastedSmorc May 5th 2010 9:36PM
"If Crystallized Fire is less than one-tenth of Eternal Fire (same goes for any other elemental), you can break the eternals down and sell the crystals."
I hope you meant "more than". If the crystals sell for less than one-tenth the eternals, you'll lose money real quick with this.
Despite the mis-wording, it's good advice. I've seen Eternals up for 10-15g with the crystals going for 3-8g. It's a great way for some quick turnaround and profit.
Basil Berntsen May 6th 2010 8:20AM
Good catch, thanks!
Zamboni May 5th 2010 9:57PM
"If you're reading my column to see whether there's a cap on the amount of gold you can stuff into a guild bank..."
We're still waiting on an answer to this, by the way.
Rob May 5th 2010 10:22PM
Very solid advice herein. I typically recommend people have two methods for making money; one is a profession cooldown of some sort, and the other is 'stuff that sells'. The main thing is that your AH banker should always be full of stuff that sells; be it recipes, herbs, whatever. You should have this guy stuffed to the brim, and post every day.
Sorry if this seems vague. I'll leave with an example. I do inscription on 3 servers (from time to time), and i have a inscription process. In addition, i have a bunch of typical AH junk on my banker. So not only am i selling the AH junk (leveling stuff, stuff that i made with professions CDs, etc), I have my inscription stuff. It doesn't matter what your profession is, but the point is that you should have a shtick, make sure its profitable, and make sure your banker always has stuff coming and going.
Blacksheep May 5th 2010 11:08PM
Thanks for these tips, I really have a hard time making money in WoW, typically grinding dailies for a while, then when I stop I make 0 gold, except for raid boss kills. I haven't made a cent outside raiding about 3 or 4 months for example, been living off the same 2K gold lol. I seem to only make money by crafting one big expensive item, not a good method.
It just seems like to really turn a profit I have to farm everything and that takes all day, I work in real life and log in to raid, then end. So hopefully selling my drums or food on Tuesday/Sat will pay off, of course, I need that food for myself also and always feel bad about selling it lol.
jrb May 6th 2010 4:21AM
i guess you just need to be more efficient with your farming. Usually a drop, be it meat, fish, ore, herbs, crystalizeds / eternals, or whatever has a sweet spot in the game to farm it. You just need to learn where it is.
Set aside more time to farm that item than you need, or set out an amount of that item that you need for yourself, and then farm another stack or two for AH. a stack of 20 Glacial Salmon on my server goes for 80g a stack, 2-3 times more than musselback sculpin and nettlefish. So farm another 40 glacial salmon which will take you 10mins, and you've just made a cool 160g.
Sam May 6th 2010 7:52AM
I think part of it is just holding on to anything that sells, and selling it. This is where having a bank toon is so handy. Get a couple frostweave from that dungeon? Send it to your bank toon. When your bank toon has a stack, throw it up on the AH. Cloth, health/mana potions, well itemized greens, extra enchanting mats, white tradeskill items...almost all of these will sell-and they don't have to be lvl 80 endgame stuff. I find the lower level stuff often sells for proportionally higher prices.
jrb May 6th 2010 10:10AM
a good point sam. It's even worth noting what stack sizes of things sell well. For those of us with auctioneer we can see what percentage of the normal price any stack size is. For everyone else it's too much time to do the math, so people will either buy full stacks for most gather mats, or not at all.
with glyphs it makes sense to only sell in stack sizes of 1. I find leather working armour kits sell well in stack sizes of 1, 2 or 3 - since they can be applied to more than one type of armour. scrolls seem to sell relatively well in any stack size.
know the market.
re: bank alts. I only learnt today that faction auction houses have flat deposit and cuts, no matter what your faction standing is. I always assumed you needed exalted, and thusly never bothered using bank alts. My money making, i think, is just starting to turn a profit, having just levelled leather working, and inscription on alts. Once i make a few K more i'll definitely invest in a guild, guild bank, and give up control of the bank tab i bought in my main's bank. ;-)
Durgro May 5th 2010 11:37PM
I don't think this is true there was this blog i check out every now and then for gold tips (my2copper or something like that if any one is interested) and i was linked to a forum where people had close or over 1mil gold
Sajaglol May 6th 2010 12:34AM
I have found a nice little niche right now for the last 3 weeks plus I have slowly driven wool from 4-6 a stack to 11-13 a stack on a consistent basis, started out with just 50 gold on a level 1 toon and now have somewhere in the area of 3k in the gb I made.
I still have 2 and a half tabs of wool, usually hit the Ah in the morning, around lunch and then just before turning in for the night.
jrb May 6th 2010 6:55AM
yes, if you're going to control a market like that you need to be able to access and buy out people quickly and often. Otherwise you find yourself in a similar state I was in whereby I tried to slowly drive up the price of adamantite ore, and bars. As I wasn't able to check AH more than once daily I ended buying a lot of materials at 0-100% asking rate, but trying to drive the market up to 110-120% failed miserably. Now the price is around 80% what it used to be, and I'm still having trouble getting rid of the stock a 1-2 months later.
lessons learnt.
1) Not that i read this little scheme on a site, but don't blindly do what you read on a website.. it worked well on the realm of the author of the website, but that doesn't mean you will work on your realm. Learn the market.
2) Don't expect to be able to make a quick buck.
Zamboni May 6th 2010 12:35AM
It is more than a million. It's been tested several times.
Our best guess is that it is indeed a 64-bit field, which is 922 trillion gold. That's not happening any time soon.
Josh May 6th 2010 2:07AM
It's so interesting how people who are good with the AH would make great businessmen, entrepreneurs, or stock market investors and traders. It just goes to show you how productive a game like WoW can be to it's players--something the 'get a life' crowd should be aware of =p
CaryEverett May 6th 2010 6:41AM
^.~
Who me? An Entrepreneur?
It's more likely than you think!
Basil Berntsen May 6th 2010 2:20PM
There's a difference, Josh. Real life endeavors usually require a fair bit of real risk. You can't start a business without putting your own money into it. The other reality is that in game, we all have access to the same resources. In the real world, an idea has to be that much better than someone else's if they have contacts you don't.
Stock markets are another matter all together- retail investors start off with a huge disadvantage compared to institutional investors. They get the ability to create positions for free, where we have to pay commissions to a stock broker. Also, institutional investors usually have powerful and sophisticated algorithms they can use to get a leg up, where we're stuck with value investing, and maybe options if we ever build a nest egg large enough to justify the commission cost.
Feraley May 6th 2010 3:38AM
I was so wrong all these years...just until recently I was almost broke. Yes you need addons,yes you need time but mostly that sense and knowledge whats going on atm on your server. Knowing what NOT to sell in the giving moment is more essential then to automatically setup auctions for what ever you have in your bags. Undercutting competition is a major part of successful sell, but be aware, undercutting doesn't mean you should ruin the price of lets say Cardinal Ruby from like 180 to 120...that is not undercutting that is shooting your self in the head with your gun. Lower the price for few silver that after multiple undercuts price stay almost the same. That way it is a win win situation and all are happy ( except buyers ofc). Always think in larger perspective. If you cut the prices of specific item that means his selling price is close to price of materials it is being crafted from, which leads to a magic circle of sky high prices of materials which is not good for anyone. Farming is good way of making money but it has its limits and flaws. First of all you have a certain quantity which you can't overcome and it takes time. Undercutting benefit is that you can sell something even if there is a lot of it in AH,its just...you need to be there most of the time. At the end, if you want to be an AH player gem for patience!!!
Alexa May 6th 2010 9:51AM
I'm going to have to disagree with your statement on undercutting. Knowing when to undercut (and by how much - in terms of either absolute value or % of selling price) is a key to successful selling.
Sometimes, drastically dropping the price on overpriced items is a smarter technique than simply dropping it a few silver. I'm not using the AH as a "win win" for all sellers. I'm using it as a "win win" for me. :)
Is that selfish? Yes, probably. But I'm guessing most folks who have made a lot of money using the AH (myself included) aren't doing it solely to better their server community - they're doing it to have gold available for their characters, guild, etc...