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5-06-2010 @ 5:13PM
This is just my opinion and I may be the only one that feels this way but I did not find the school of hard knocks as that difficult of an achievement, especially compared to the other achievements listed before that.Yogg +0 is way more difficult of an achievement to get compared to school of hard knocks.Again just my opinion and others can gladly disagree.
5-06-2010 @ 5:23PM
I completely agree with you, but I think the ranking is based on number of people it made miserable; so while yogg +0 was way harder, not nearly as many people had failed attempts at it as School of Hardknocks did.
5-06-2010 @ 5:28PM
I didn't find it too difficult either, but I don't think that's the point. I'm working on my bg achievements now since they're pretty much the only solo thing I can still work on...And the effect this achievement has on BGs is pretty staggering. As alliance, I'm able to win WSG much more often but that's only because most BGs have both full teams standing around guarding the flag.My strategy has turned into, standing next to the horde speed buff and waiting for it to pop. Then sprinting and grabbing their flag, hitting cloak of shadows, and sprinting back down the tunnel.I can usually get about halfway home before I'm caught by 10 angry horde foster parents. Occasionally I can make it to our tunnel where I'm home free but my team will all be standing around doing nothing the whole time.Foxfyr the Insane
5-06-2010 @ 5:32PM
I still have yet to understand what is so difficult about School of hard knocks. I got the achievement the first day it was available and it probably only took a couple hours to get it completed. Three of them are doable by just running as fast as you can at the outset, if you don't get it right away, not a big deal, you can get it again. The other, in WSG, just means fighting in the giant melee in the middle, again, not a huge deal unless they other team is just rolling you.
5-06-2010 @ 5:34PM
@zmes_Matt and Extreme4241I think through the whole list, it's not so much how 'hard' something is, as it's 'hard' coupled with 'rage inducing' and factors completely out of one's control (the RNG). Yogg+0 you had to rely on 9 or 24 other people and you are there because you want to be...School of Hard Knocks you have to rely on people you can't communicate with in a place that a lot of people have no experience or wish to ever be combined with people who are out to make those other people's lives miserable by being internet jerks. Accomplished Angler was on an earlier list thanks to it's very heavy RNG component; while someone might fish up the sea turtle in less than an hour of fishing, for someone else it can take days if not months of fishing to catch it, same for the rare fish. And then you get to the Tournaments that you need to win one of, and that you get to fight with not only the RNG deciding if you can catch the needed fish in time, you have to hope you don't lag while hearthing back into Dalaran to run to the turn in. Sometimes 'hard' doesn't mean 'tough fight', it means 'tough game mechanics and random unpredictability of things like other people'
5-06-2010 @ 5:38PM
well it took my fugly priest about 3-4 hrs of doin BG's to get the hard knocks achievement. You can solo it. I think unless ur in the top raiding guild on the server, Yogg +0 isn't in the cards for you. Ms. Allison Robert IS in a top raiding guild on her server (its something with an Eight), so for her, hard knocks could very well be harder. And I'll admit, there is alot of RNG involved with gettin a good BG group. But between 5 guildies on monday, none of them took more than 6 EOTS battles to get that one, and it was the hardest.What is ur guild's name btw Ms. Robert? I'm so curious to see the gear ur rockin to compare to my little druid.-Tiigerclaw
5-06-2010 @ 5:47PM
read the title of the article. it's not "most difficult". it's "most evil". that's the distinction.
5-06-2010 @ 5:53PM
Really, it's as simple as reading the title of the article. Note that it isn't "The 25 Hardest Achievements."
5-06-2010 @ 6:00PM
Yeah, i was actually surprised at how easily i got School done. In just about everything but EoTS people seemed to be open to helping each other out.
5-06-2010 @ 6:07PM
Yogg 0 is completely zergable now it's a joke. Hard in it's time but now phase 3 you honestly ignore the mechanics entirely, you interupt nothing, you don't even dps the guardians you just zerg yogg and off tank the guardians in a corner somewhere out of empowering shadows range and that's it. the damage they do to tanks in ICC gear is a joke compared to before. A block tank with like 42k armor buffed, when you had like 26-28k buffed whenit was current content is a huge difference, it feels like the guardians are tickling you when 2 used to mean death back in 226 ilvl gear. This isn't a response to the article as i'm sure it rated achievement based on when it was current. It's just a response to the commenters that say it's hard now. It was hard then. but now it's not much harder than zerging sarth 3d.
5-06-2010 @ 6:24PM
School of Hard Knocks is not so hard now, because the players hate it so much that they just decided to collaborate and HELP the enemy faction do it, so BGs get back to normal ASAP. Last year, SOHK was a nightmare. This year it was a lot easier.But, this wasn't the original design of blizzard to earn the achievement.
5-06-2010 @ 6:33PM
School was cake, did it in a couple hours the first day, when people were just trying to get it done. The longer you wait, the harder it will be as pvpers are now sick of people who are there only for that. The Battleground ones are easy, as you can pug them at random, and if you play to win you will probably get them eventually. The raid ones require you to be in a guild, and a good one at that, that doesn't mind trying to get it.
5-06-2010 @ 8:35PM
Chiming in here: I did School of Hard Knocks in one afternoon (it was Monday) and I don't even PVP. I thought it was going to be the OMG Hardest Thing Evar, but let me tell you, after Loremaster? A lot of shit is now a walk in the park.
5-06-2010 @ 8:57PM
School of Hard Knocks does deserve its place at number 2 there. Actually, I'm working on Insane in the Membrane right now and I'm currently debating whether or not SoHK is WORSE. I avoided BGs the first couple days after my experience with the achievement last year... (EoTS where everyone is in the center, and NO ONE caps any towers to bring the flag to? Ugh.) Though, perhaps that was a mistake. I spent the past two days struggling to get my achievement on my druid, and I can honestly say I will NOT be repeating it on any other toon. EVER. I've been ganked repeatedly, farmed, harassed by my own faction, cringed at being the only one attacking the healer instead of the guy with the flag (which got me slaughtered when they noticed), etc. I have done bgs here and there before... they're not really my thing, but I didn't downright DESPISE them... This achievement, though, makes me hate them with an unholy passion. TL;DRThis achievement brings out the WORST in people. It's you against the opposing faction, and you against your own team. It promotes single-mindedness towards singular objectives instead of the various objectives that will win the BG. It's just too full of fail for mere words.
5-06-2010 @ 9:38PM
It's not just the difficulty of School of Hard Knocks -- and, IMHO, it's a beeyatch -- it's the fact that it screws up "normal" game mechanics for the entire week.I can see the logic of requiring players to PvP for some achievements, as it exposes players who might never enter a BG to the experience, and they may even end up liking it. But seriously, there is NO fun in assaulting objectives to the detriment of the group for your own "selfish" ends. On rare occasions, a large enough group of players on both sides will respect each others' achievement hunters and back off or perform actions (like dropping the flag) that help, but 9 times out of 10 there are a hardcore group of PvP-ers who LOVE killing the "noobs" and berating them in chat.This achievement's only gain in the game is to give griefers another crappy way to do what they love by screwing the rest of us.The time spent in the BGs is NOT a good exposure to them, and doesn't end up being fun for anyone. If anything, this achievement makes PvE players NEVER want to enter a BG again.And, from a strictly humanitarian point of view, why the HECK am i taking an orphan into a war zone anyway? That's just sick and mean. The "touring" quests all have some limited meaning, but exposing a small child to danger and death? Yeah, that encourages proper behaviour. NOT.
5-07-2010 @ 12:02AM
I got SoHK last year, and I never understood the hatred. I got everything but the AV one on the first try for each game type, yes all of them first try. AV took 3 tries, there's just too many people and not enough of them are going to get it each time.
5-07-2010 @ 12:43AM
I understand where you are coming from about yogg+0, however, I will present this:Did you SEE the list of griefing actions ON YOUR OWN TEAM that Allison listed? You don't have to deal with that with Yogg+0. Sure, it's difficult. And comparably easy to cap a tower or return a flag. But what makes School of Hard Knocks very evil is that, especially towards the end of the week, people start getting desperate, and at that point the PvPers are pissed that their BGs are "ruined" and it just turns into a huge mess. You have to queue and requeue and hope beyond hope that you get lucky and get into a BG filled with mostly nice people. And come on- you play WoW. You know that there are a LOT of mean people, and you also have to know that they're probably all queueing for bgs just to mess with the achievement-seekers.Yogg+0? You're probably not dealing with that. You are probably dealing with a guild that is trying to work together to down it. So, yes, it is extremely difficult and even hard to find a lot of people who want to try it, but it's still not anywhere near as evil as School of Hard Knocks.
5-07-2010 @ 12:29PM
I spent a year dreading the school of hard knocks achievement, but I was surprised when I started it how easy it all was. The catch, in my opinion, is to do it on the first day it's available. The amount of people attempting it at the same time actually makes most of them easier.The lone exception to that rule is probably Eye of the Storm. If you're not with several friends to assist you in getting that one, it's going to be very difficult. I lucked out getting it done.I'll also say it gave me a new appreciation for the battlegrounds. Those places are pretty fun, especially when you have a PvP leader who knows what they're doing and guides the team to success.I'm not sure about arena though. PvP just for PvP without another objective doesn't seem very interesting. Of course, I thought the same about the battlegrounds, so I could be wrong.
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