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5-06-2010 @ 5:13PM
Having gotten my Patron title last night in a stroke of luck, I have to agree with it being here.It's not that it's "too" difficult. It's that it's completely, 100%, ****ing counter-productive. As you mentioned, the PvEers resent being encouraged to PvP (I use the word "encouraged" since the freakin' semantics police feel obligated to constantly point out that nobody is "forced" to do anything in the game) and the PvPers resent having a bunch of PvEers ruining their battlegrounds for a week.Best solution, if you ask me? Keep the achievement, but change it to "win the following battlegrounds." To make it easier? No. To make it where a PvP noob can jump into Warsong Gulch and say, "I'm new at this. Tell me how I can help us win."Sure, some jerks will still resent their presense, but it would be a hell of a lot harder to be mad at Blizzard for this type of achievement.And hey...then more people might come away from it saying, "Wow...winning that battleground was kind of fun! I should try those more!"What do they think now? "Wow...racing my teamates to random flags and clicking as fast as I can is confusing, stupid and boring. And people yell at me a lot. I hate battlegrounds."
5-10-2010 @ 9:54AM
I like your solution to the School of Hard Knocks achieve. Very well thought out.
5-06-2010 @ 5:28PM
Completely and totally agree. If Blizzard wants us to go into Battlegrounds for this, it should be something much more simple like simply winning, instead of things that you have to fight people for, and not just people on the opposing faction! I gave up on the Violet Proto-drake last year when Childrens Week came around, and I only did the quests for the minipets, and again this year. Other achieves have been gotten accidentally (like forgetting that my orphan was out while I hearthed) and I've no will or intent to do the entire holiday, at all, ever.And this is coming from someone who's a mount collector and teased as an achievement monger and who seriously considered quitting the game when the Achievement system came out and mounts became spells....and I lost all of them in the big 'WHOOPS, we didn't think that would tax the server that much, lol' debacle, giving up on a mount that should have been gotten while doing something I really otherwise enjoy is a kick in the tail. To be forced into doing the -one- thing in this game that I loathe the most, along with a few thousand other people who don't want to do it, hoping beyond hope that you manage to get into a BG where people are cooperating (and forget it if you didn't do it earlier this week, now it's time for the griefers) and you arent going to get someone doing the various things listed above....yeah, I hate this single achievement with the passion of a thousand burning suns. Trying to foster a polite playbase and the spirit of 'teamwork' with this achievement is never, ever going to happen.
5-06-2010 @ 5:29PM
amen, friend...preach that gospel like you were singing the praises of the delicious bacon and pork belly sandwich!
5-06-2010 @ 6:03PM
mmmm bacon and pork belly sandwiches.. er.. uh.. I mean ... uh .... AMEN BROTHA!yeah, it's all I have left and I'm dreading it. I've never done any BGs except AB so not only will I have no idea what I'm doing, but I'll be doing what I don't want to do (I want to battle, not babysit).Which reminds me, I need to get set up to start going for the Insane on my tauren (yes, I do want to be a mad bull, why?)
5-06-2010 @ 6:26PM
Can't vote this one high enough.
5-06-2010 @ 8:38PM
Actually, School taught me to love battlegrounds. Maybe because I went into it with the attitude that I was probably not going to get the achievement segment in any given run anyway so I might as well attack/defend/whatever as necessary.But now (as soon as this two-week class I'm in is finished and I have the time) I fully intend to run random BGs and get myself some decent PVP gear so I can do them more often. Mostly EotS because I loved it.
5-07-2010 @ 12:44AM
I have run at least 50 EOTS. Got the others with Horde cooperation. But in EOTS, teammates AND the Horde are out to kill you. EOTS is the only BG I have left on two characters. I hate pvp and I hate Blizz for doing this. It is no way reasonable for a pve player with little understanding of the basics of each BG in non-pvp gear to do this easily, regardless of what others may say. It may be different on some realms but not on mine. It takes SO long to even TAKE the flag by the time one has it, the Horde is there to kill you dead. And they do... while one rezzes in the graveyard.. over and over and over. The when some lucky ... person... gets the achievement, they are outta there. Since I have no intention of doing Insane, TSOHK is the most evil followed closely by Sinister Calling. It's all I have left for two characters. Another year to wait.
5-07-2010 @ 2:50AM
I would vote SOHK first, especially since it is part of the Long, Strange trip. This achievment should simbolize that you do the holidays, you are happy to visit old instances, old world places, even go to Un-Goro to plant an egg. It does not require any serious raiding, why would it need serious pvp? I completely agree with you, make it 'win all bgs'. I also hate some of the other pvp achievments. My friend and guildmate is a achievment-alcoholic, and he asked me to go Warsong Gulch with him to help with an achievment. I dont think I have ever been that shamed in a BG :)There is an achievment for killing the opposing factions flag carrier in their room, just before they would bring in the flag, and it supposes that your faction does not own the flag. He was begging everyone in the bg to drop the alliance flag, and let the alliance carry the horde flag to the room so he can kill them there. Plus, it does not grant the achievment for the whole battleground team! It was a nightmare. Achievments should only work towards winning, otherwise some achiev-fans can ruin the whole pvp experience.
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