Gold Capped: Engineering isn't so useless after all

In real life, engineers are brilliant and dedicated individuals who work together with tradespeople to accomplish some of the technological marvels of the modern world. Historically, these are the people who built the pyramids, the boats that brought Europeans to the new world, and the spaceships that took mankind to the moon and back. In World of Warcraft, engineers are a bunch of goofy characters who speak in childishly high voices and have a tendency to blow themselves up by accident in humorous ways. Anyone else sense that whoever did the concept art at Blizzard for gnomish and goblin engineers flunked out of engineering?
Anyways, while engineering is an amazing profession for certain parts of the game, it's dead last when it comes to making money. There are only really a few things engineers can do to make cash.
In general, we want Engineering to remain a tradeskill mainly focused on creating fun or useful gadgets for the engineer, but we are exploring options for items that can be sold to other players for profit.
This quote was from the Cataclysm profession preview we posted about earlier. Engineering is currently barely ahead of farming in terms of income potential, and it's nice to see that Blizzard acknowledges this and might fix it.
Not all hope is lost, though. A savvy player can eak out a living if they focus on the right markets. First off, the elephant in the room: selling epic ammo.
Epic Ammo
Iceblade Arrows are the most popular ammo in the game now. The most accessible (and thus popular) weapons for hunters seem to be bows or crossbows. Despite my good buddy Brian's refusal to use them, they remain the lion's share of the epic ammo market. The bullet equivalent, Shatter Rounds, are also sold, but in much lower quantity.
Gnomish engineers (the specialization, not the race) can buy Plans: Iceblade Arrow from Alchemist Finkelstein in the Icecrown Citadel for the cost of one Primordial Saronite. Goblin specs can get Plans: Shatter Rounds. That's a pretty hefty price to get into the market; however, it pays off if you can make any amount of profits. Bear in mind, you need to be honored with the Ashen Verdict. Check out this Insider Trader from last December for the whole story.
Once you can make your ammo, it's just a matter of selling it. Hunters tend to stock up on these, but there's a definite demand surge on Tuesdays before raids (like many raiding consumables). The demand is pretty high all the time, though, so keeping your stock listed all the time will increase your market size. Pricing your ammo is a little tricky, however. Assuming you're not the only person selling these, you will need to decide on a strategy and stick to it. The mats for the arrows are two Crystallized Shadow, or two Crystallized Earth for the bullets. Eternal Shadow and Earth prices are typically fairly low. On my server, shadow can be gotten for 3.5g pretty reliably, which makes a stack of 1,000 arrows cost 70 silver to make. These stacks often sell for close to 10 gold.
You have to decide whether to undercut by a slight amount and share the volume at higher profits, or undercut heavily and get a larger slice of the pie at a lower profit margin. Bear in mind that lower prices on the AH will increase the size of the pie, too. Arrows are not "fixed demand" commodities. In fact, there are no fixed demand commodities in the game. People will never just buy something, no matter the price. Whether high volume with lower profitability is more money in the end than lower volume with higher profitability is something you have to calculate yourself.
Now you may ask yourself why I'm not advocating multiple stack sizes here. The reason for that is that no hunters ever want to buy less than a full stack of ammo. If they ever do purchase that, it's by accident, and if you sell small stacks of ammo for the same price as a full stack, there's a special place in hell for you. I'm not saying that hunters don't make mistakes and not double-check the three-point font number below the icon on the 10th stack they buy -- but I am saying that if you are the person standing there ready to take 10g from a well intentioned client, you are a failure. Karma will work it all out in the end, and in the meantime, all you've done is ruin someone's day (and possibly raid night).
Non-combat pets
Cute, lovable and pointless. It's the perfect storm of economic success. Engineers can make several sellable non-combat pets. The ones that are in the highest demand are the recently made BoE pets from Gnomeregan, and I went over the crafting mats and pricing schemes for these in another post.
Additionally, there are a bunch of other pets engineers can sell, some of which are very hard to learn and might be worth a lot of money if you can keep a small stock on the AH at all times. The schematics for these are impossible to farm, so add them to your snatch list and buy it if they're ever on the AH. These usually sell very well for a nice profit margin.
- Lifelike Mechanical Toad is taught by an extremely rare schematic.
- Mechanical Squirrel Box is also learned through a rare world drop schematic.
- Crashin' Thrashin' Robot is learned, again, through a rare world drop schematic.
- Tranquil Mechanical Yeti is probably the easiest to learn, being a reward from a quest.
Gathering
In addition the the ability to make a few things for the AH, engineers can make themselves a Zapthrottle Mote Extractor, which allows you to farm elementals from gas clouds (which you can see on your map if you have the extractor in your inventory). This is a minor benefit, but assuming you spend any time outside the auction house, it's a benefit.
Random items needed by others
Last but not least, we have this list of random items that are occasionally needed by others.
- Heartseeker Scopes are required every time someone equips a new gun.
- If you can make this, the Biznicks 247x128 Accurascope is a very niche but very profitable alternative to the Heartseeker.
- Alchemists who want to sell you Goblin Rocket Fuel will need the recipe that you can make, and blacksmiths who want to sell you Inlaid Mithril Cylinders will need the plans you can make.
- Engineers are the only known source for Aquadynamic Fish Attractors and Salt Shakers (needed for Cured Rugged Hide).
- The Elemental Seaforium Charge is still in high demand for people working their way through Outland or opening things with a lock of under 350 skill.
- Overcharged Capacitor
- Adamantite Frame
- Hi-Explosive Bombs and Unstable Triggers in stacks of 8
- Mithril Casing
- Gyrochronatom
- Bronze Tube
- Advanced Target Dummy
- Deadly Blunderbuss (Horde only)
There you have it! Combine some or all of these markets, and you might just make more than you'd get spending the time farming dailies.
Filed under: Economy, Wrath of the Lich King, Gold Capped






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
DemonCloud9 May 12th 2010 10:08PM
Engineering and it's epic ammo (specifically the iceblade arrows) is a very profitable market.
Hunters always have to restock ammo and should be using top of the line.
As it requires honored reputation and a primordial saronite to get the recipe it is an exclusive market of sellers.
If you farm the mats, that is pure profit at about 4 to even 8g per stack of arrows.( Or in mats case: 2 crystallized shadow)
Xevius May 12th 2010 10:13PM
For now,
I imagine in cataclysm there will be better ammo,
and I am not holding my breath that there will be profitable things readily available from the trainer that everyone can use(that you can sell) that is not a minipet or ammo.
Dreamstorm May 12th 2010 10:15PM
Wasn't ammo disappearing in Cataclysm? Or have I been horribly misinformed?
Xevius May 12th 2010 10:18PM
I think it is best to wait and see,
with blizzard it is not in stone til it is done,
and sometimes not even then.
(in terms of the ammo probably going away)
Mike May 12th 2010 10:37PM
Blizzard has explicitly stated the removal of ammo in it's entirety in Cataclysm. Current ammo stocks will be converted to vendor trash upon release of the 4.0 patch.
Basil Berntsen May 12th 2010 11:13PM
And until cataclysm drops, I go through about 15 stacks a week.
Kaylin May 12th 2010 10:16PM
I wrote a great guide to the pets that goes far more in depth. The crashin' trashin' robot isn't a con-combat pet in the traditional sense, so there's really no market for it - but the three you mentioned and two you didn't work nicely:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425709026
Basil Berntsen May 12th 2010 11:14PM
I did mention the two I didn't- I linked to an entire post about how to get and make them.
Vanz May 12th 2010 10:16PM
What about the (two i think) new pets that were made BoE from BoP? I think one of them dropped from Gnomer.
Basil Berntsen May 12th 2010 11:15PM
Check the link under "non combat pets"- that article is all about those newly BoE pets.
d_brinson68 May 12th 2010 10:20PM
yea my rogue is my enginner and to boot a gnome so my engineer is automatically +15 better than you! im always being ask wtf you are cheater w/ 490 skill sigh noobs! lol. The main reason to get eng is for fun yea i made a little gold from him but not compared to what i could make from a blacksmith but i dont care that much about making gold got some stockpiled
and as an aside can we please get another call to auction going? or is there going to be a reboot?
glyakk May 12th 2010 10:29PM
Why cant scribes write 'instructions' for engi items? Would be similar to velums, but instead of merging with the item it would simply give a temp buff to the user and allow the use of select engi items within a particular skill range range like explosives, or rocket boots. It would help both the inscription and engineering professions increase their profitability.
Amaxe-1 May 12th 2010 10:42PM
I think because it's meant to be a user only thing, like ring enchants for enchanters or sockets for blacksmiths
Ben.Berchik May 12th 2010 10:42PM
I dont know if its just my server, but a buddy of mine is mining/engineering and he farms saronite/gas clouds in sholozar 24/7..... we joke that he practicly lives there.
now i'm sure he's not uber rich but for him to say he only has 5K gold means he's broke in his opinion lol
He claims Gas clouds make up most of his farming profit.
Basil Berntsen May 12th 2010 11:17PM
Send him this: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wow.com/media/2010/02/goldposter425.jpg
Rob May 13th 2010 9:39AM
So true, as Basil points out every week farming is the least profitable thing you can do, along with dailies. But if its fun its a different issue, although I can't imagine flying in circles to be fun, and dealing with competition.
I haven't done a daily in about a year; once you get your professions to max you should have several methods at your disposal for quick and easy cash.
Basil Berntsen May 13th 2010 9:42AM
I have nothing against farming, in principle. Farmers are a required part of the economy, and there certainly are times where it will be more profitable than sitting at the AH and crafting. This is not one of those times, though. The launch of Wrath was one of those times, and I mined my heart out :)
Hal May 12th 2010 10:55PM
How is the market for lesser ammos? I've been using engineering as I level an alt, but I'm trying to figure out the ammo market. Anybody got any thoughts on the matter?
Zhiva May 12th 2010 11:04PM
# How is the market for lesser ammos? #
Dead.
Hal May 13th 2010 12:09AM
Disappointing. I'm currently in the mithril/thorium range, and usually there's nothing on the AH. I've sold a few stacks here and there, but not much.
Tonight I checked it out and someone had flooded the market with ammo far cheaper than the cost to even make it. Ugh.