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5-14-2010 @ 8:03AM
If you figure out an answer to this, I (and my guild) would be appreciative.
5-14-2010 @ 8:13AM
Yeah, I second this wholeheartedly.More often than not I just give up. I "fade away;" I don't want to disappoint my friends by continuing to try week after week and failing and then seeing fewer and fewer numbers...25 mans turning into 10 mans after just a few weeks... Recruitment becoming 'desperate oh god invite everyone' again... It's just too bothersome. I just give up and hardly log on, avoiding raiding for whatever reasons I can muster up... I, of course, am a part of the problem - and it's what a lot of folks run into - they just...lose interest in even attempting failing again. It really sucks. If only there were some tool to make this all easier... Or an answer to it all...
5-14-2010 @ 8:44AM
@CubeDude, see a therapist, you sound suicidal!
5-14-2010 @ 10:54AM
Attitude is a very big part of pregression, you and your team must be positive to have people performing at their best. If you believe you will wipe you don't try and end up making mistakes that cause a wipe.Sometimes the issue is some people are not comitted and you end up struggling to get the full 25. At those times it may be better for the guild to try something differant to build people back up again, maybe some old raid hard modes.
5-14-2010 @ 11:47AM
Personally I love a challenge, and I really think the LK fight is quite a great challenge at that. It's pretty awesome to be stuck on a boss because of execution and not for other stupid reasons (DPS check, lag monster). It definitely gets frustrating at times, especially after wiping to him 52 times so far, but we are getting better so overall it's a good experience. It comes down to whether or not you are making progress on each wipe.
5-14-2010 @ 11:57AM
That's pretty much where I'm too (exept we're at sindy in icc10).I'm fine with wiping on new content but our raid leader and most of the other officers decided to extend the id.The reason was because "none of the raiders need the loot". That is partly true, everyone has an average ilevel of 255+ but there are still items people need on top of the 20 frosties or more with the quest.I wouldn't join a pug with bosses down if it's not reset day so why would I keep an id especially when one shotting 9/12 in one go is possible?
5-14-2010 @ 12:17PM
Also, keep in mind that you can practice positioning for phase 2 and defiles without actually pulling the boss. Setup on the platform, have a DK pretend to be LK and have them setup a macro that targets someone and does a raid warning with the target and start a 2 second cast. Then cast D&D where that person is. Don't pull the boss until everyone is moving correctly in practice.
5-14-2010 @ 12:53PM
Some of this is attitude - people think "Oh god, not that boss again, we always wipe..." and proceed to wipe. If you have alternate bosses you can do (the Keepers in Ulduar, the choice between Fester/RF and Dreamwalker in ICC, etc) then tell the raid "OK, this week instead of the boss we've been wiping on a lot, we're going to learn and kill Other Boss." That way everyone has something new to look forward to and progress or a kill will remind them that they're OK. An Ulduar example... we were stuck on Thorim. Splitting the raid was just not working for us.... so one night I took us to Freya. We cleared the room and, on try #6, killed her. It was a good feeling and reminded the raid we could do this. ON an end boss like LK, spend some time going over the stuff that needs to happen and isn't and then set a wipe limit so that people know they're not stuck there for three 3 hour nights wiping 20 times. Either set a number of hours or set a number of wipes and, if you haven't got him, let people go do other stuff. People tend not to want to login when they're being forced to do something they feel is futile and not fun. Of course, if you hit your limit but you're all of a sudden making progress you can keep going... but if you're not, don't make people feel like dicks if they don't want to continue to bang their heads against that wall.
5-15-2010 @ 5:17AM
I have to echo some of the comments above, don't get down. Whenever my guild wipes we always say, 'what happened' as we're running back. Sometimes the cause is easy to determine, sometimes not, but we come up with some idea on what wiped us, and what we're going to do to change it the next time. We usually take bosses down after 2 or 3 times the first time we see them. The only that I can recall wiping on without a kill over a raid or two were Grobbulus, Gluth, Netherspite and Nightbane - all fights that required some pretty high coordination and had bosses that packed a wallop, where a small slip-up here or there meant you were doomed.It also helps that a lot of my guildies have a lot of alts, so if we want to shuffle the raid comp around and try something different, we usually can. Sometimes all it takes is a little shift in the comp. Try not to get down and focus on what you did well... placement, movement, handling adds, how close the boss was to being downed... and then try to figure what else you'd need to get over the hump. Lag is tough to beat, but don't be afraid to mix things around or alter your strategy a bit.
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