Drama Mamas: Make it work
Dodge the drama and become that player everyone wants in their group with the Drama Mamas. Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are real-life mamas and experienced WoW players -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your server. We're taking your questions at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
Wives get a bad reputation. We are often portrayed more like evil stepmothers than the helpmates and lovers that we would like to be seen as. Some of us deserve it, from time to time. But often we are just trying to be the voice of responsibility in the face of a spouse who's behaving more like a carefree teen. Supervisors and guild leaders are also put in uncomfortable situations, where they are forced to be The Bad Guy in order take care of their responsibilities. This week, we mamas put on our stern caps and wag our fingers a bit more than usual. But we really hope things turn out well for the letter writer and those he interacts with.
Dear Drama Mamas, I play WoW at work. Wife aggro is extremely bad at home (seriously, she makes up excuses to keep me from playing), so the only time I play there is if she is asleep or out of the house, neither of which happens often.
The problem with playing at work is that I have to go AFK fairly often to take care of customers. Depending on the customer, it could take anywhere from a couple of seconds to a couple of hours. When I am soloing (as an altaholic, I do that often), it is not a problem; but if I try to do a 5-man or raid, I waste other people's time when I go AFK.
Last week, I was in a guild raid, got a customer, and announced that I was going AFK. After ten minutes, I snuck back to my desk, told the guild that I may be a while longer, and they can replace me if they can find another healer. They managed to find a replacement and booted me. Later on, I got a tell from a guildmate that some officers have been complaining that I go AFK a lot.
When I heard that there were complaints against me, I was determined to find out how I can fix it. The guild I am in is filled with very nice, non-confrontational people; so I knew that any hard decisions were going to have to come from me. I could swear off raids and 5-mans altogether, but then I would miss out on a huge portion of the game. I could push for playing at home, but it would be a long, uphill battle that may destroy my marriage (yeah, she's that stubborn). The suggestion I gave to the raid leader was that I am to be treated as a stand-in, and anyone that wants my spot can have it, regardless to whether or not I am AFK at the time. I am also to be booted if I am AFK for a ready check, minimizing the amount of time the raid loses if I have to go AFK unannounced.
The raid leader agreed, but I do not feel at peace with how I handled the situation. We don't have a lot of active raiders in the guild, but we typically have a couple of people on a wait list. Now any person on the wait list automatically gets my spot, which could prove to be very inconvenient. At the same time, raiding is a time commitment, and playing at work puts me in no condition to be raiding in the first place. Please tell me how I can enjoy the game without being a burden. Thanks, AFK
Drama Mama Robin: AFK, I'm going to be a bit harsh here. You are making your teammates, employer and customers pay for the fact that you haven't solved your wife aggro issues. You are letting your wife dictate your leisure time, and that is a problem that has nothing to do with Azeroth. We've already dedicated a column to advice for people in your situation. Rather than just giving up on playing at home, take a look at our suggestions and some of the things the commenters say. You can and should work on your relationship with your wife as your highest priority. I don't know the source of your wife's not wanting you to play. She may be being completely unreasonable, or you may be neglecting her. Again, I don't know. But fixing the real source of your problem will help everything else fall into place.
I also read your letter and get a bit stressed on your behalf. In this economy, doing something like playing WoW at work is extremely risky. Even if you say to yourself, "I'm helping the customers first and getting my work done;" you are still playing games at work, on company time and presumably with company equipment and bandwidth. Most companies consider this an offense worth firing over. And let's say your supervisors know and condone this -- do you think they're going to promote the guy who plays games at work or the person who doesn't? I won't get all preachy about the ethical issues as well, but from a purely practical standpoint, you should really consider all of the ramifications of playing at work.
While you're fixing your issues at home and if you continue to play at work, I really do think that to be considerate to both your customers and your guildmates, you should not do instances at all. Yes, you are missing out on a huge part of the game -- but consider it an incentive to fix your relationship issues sooner rather than putting them off.
Drama Mama Lisa: What a tangled mess! You're ruining your enjoyment of a favorite leisure activity because you're hiding it from your wife and customers? There's not a pretty way to paint this picture. I agree wholeheartedly with Robin that being forthright with your wife is your first order of business.
Before you begin, though, I'd encourage you to spend time reflecting on your priorities. Right now, it appears that you've placed World of Warcraft squarely at the top of your list.
Drama Buster of the Week
If you have a blowout with a guildie, sleep on it before you take your grievances to the guild forums. And maybe do some yoga, run a few miles, do some kickboxing -- whatever helps you get rid of your aggression. Then write the post, but don't post it. Let it sit a few hours before you commit. The calmer and more rational you are, the more support you will gain.
Remember, your mama wouldn't want to see your name on any drama. Play nice ... and when in doubt, ask the Drama Mamas at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
Wives get a bad reputation. We are often portrayed more like evil stepmothers than the helpmates and lovers that we would like to be seen as. Some of us deserve it, from time to time. But often we are just trying to be the voice of responsibility in the face of a spouse who's behaving more like a carefree teen. Supervisors and guild leaders are also put in uncomfortable situations, where they are forced to be The Bad Guy in order take care of their responsibilities. This week, we mamas put on our stern caps and wag our fingers a bit more than usual. But we really hope things turn out well for the letter writer and those he interacts with.
Dear Drama Mamas, I play WoW at work. Wife aggro is extremely bad at home (seriously, she makes up excuses to keep me from playing), so the only time I play there is if she is asleep or out of the house, neither of which happens often.
The problem with playing at work is that I have to go AFK fairly often to take care of customers. Depending on the customer, it could take anywhere from a couple of seconds to a couple of hours. When I am soloing (as an altaholic, I do that often), it is not a problem; but if I try to do a 5-man or raid, I waste other people's time when I go AFK.
Last week, I was in a guild raid, got a customer, and announced that I was going AFK. After ten minutes, I snuck back to my desk, told the guild that I may be a while longer, and they can replace me if they can find another healer. They managed to find a replacement and booted me. Later on, I got a tell from a guildmate that some officers have been complaining that I go AFK a lot.
When I heard that there were complaints against me, I was determined to find out how I can fix it. The guild I am in is filled with very nice, non-confrontational people; so I knew that any hard decisions were going to have to come from me. I could swear off raids and 5-mans altogether, but then I would miss out on a huge portion of the game. I could push for playing at home, but it would be a long, uphill battle that may destroy my marriage (yeah, she's that stubborn). The suggestion I gave to the raid leader was that I am to be treated as a stand-in, and anyone that wants my spot can have it, regardless to whether or not I am AFK at the time. I am also to be booted if I am AFK for a ready check, minimizing the amount of time the raid loses if I have to go AFK unannounced.
The raid leader agreed, but I do not feel at peace with how I handled the situation. We don't have a lot of active raiders in the guild, but we typically have a couple of people on a wait list. Now any person on the wait list automatically gets my spot, which could prove to be very inconvenient. At the same time, raiding is a time commitment, and playing at work puts me in no condition to be raiding in the first place. Please tell me how I can enjoy the game without being a burden. Thanks, AFK
I also read your letter and get a bit stressed on your behalf. In this economy, doing something like playing WoW at work is extremely risky. Even if you say to yourself, "I'm helping the customers first and getting my work done;" you are still playing games at work, on company time and presumably with company equipment and bandwidth. Most companies consider this an offense worth firing over. And let's say your supervisors know and condone this -- do you think they're going to promote the guy who plays games at work or the person who doesn't? I won't get all preachy about the ethical issues as well, but from a purely practical standpoint, you should really consider all of the ramifications of playing at work.
While you're fixing your issues at home and if you continue to play at work, I really do think that to be considerate to both your customers and your guildmates, you should not do instances at all. Yes, you are missing out on a huge part of the game -- but consider it an incentive to fix your relationship issues sooner rather than putting them off.
Before you begin, though, I'd encourage you to spend time reflecting on your priorities. Right now, it appears that you've placed World of Warcraft squarely at the top of your list.
- You've prioritized WoW above your marriage by whisking your play time to another venue, rather than navigating through whatever concerns are causing all the hard feelings.
- You've prioritized WoW above your work, by inappropriately dividing your time and attention and depriving your customers of considerate, thorough service.
- You've prioritized your personal WoW goals above the needs of the very groupmates and guildmates who are helping you achieve them, by insisting on grouping and raiding at times when you know you are unable to give your undivided attention.
Drama Buster of the Week
If you have a blowout with a guildie, sleep on it before you take your grievances to the guild forums. And maybe do some yoga, run a few miles, do some kickboxing -- whatever helps you get rid of your aggression. Then write the post, but don't post it. Let it sit a few hours before you commit. The calmer and more rational you are, the more support you will gain.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 4)
Elle May 16th 2010 11:50PM
Being a 'wife' and being a woman who has had serious relationships with 2 WoW addicts, I can safely say that this is a game that makes or breaks a relationship (mostly because of how the situation is handled). My first partner played for hours every night, ignoring myself and the children on a regular basis. My solution was to get me an account aswell so we could play together. That worked for a while, but he was so addicted he would take away my fun by rushing through everything he'd already seen (making me miss tons of story line-my favorite part) or raid whether or not I was able to or not, 7 days a week for at least 6 hrs. Yes, that relationship broke because both the kids and I were neglected and I feel it was a conscious choice, as it was an ongoing fight for 3 yrs. My current partner of over 2 years, I got him started playing btw while we were still just friends, and he is very considerate. He plays many hours without me, even while I am there, but he never puts the game ahead of his family and we turn it into 'our' time (cheaper than a sitter and anything really =D) and when I'm not up to playing...he plays an alt or something. He never complains I am taking too long reading the quests, we respect each other when they are in a 5man or whatever and if it comes down to it, we know the other would log off in a heartbeat to take care of RL. Our biggest disappointment in WoW is if one of our time cards expire for a day or two and we feel bad that we are unable to play together. I went from a very hardcore raider to a casual player and I am happy, but I also know that I have full support (both ways) if either of us wanted to take up that mantle again.
Follow the Drama Mamas advice, or you may end up miserable like my ex. ...and yes, he played at work too (was the owner and everything) and it STILL hurt him-both his business and his personal relationships. It's sad but all too easy to fall pray to :(
Hrothgar May 14th 2010 11:23AM
My wife doesn't play but she is a geek so she understands MMORPG. I treat my raid nights like any other team sport from the perspective of commitment. For years I played softball and basketball with a group of friends and during the season, I would have to commit to showing up to games. This is no different.
That means I would have to schedule date nights with my wife, family time with the kids, social time with other friends and family around my hobby commitments. I learned quickly that it doesn't work that way. You have to schedule your hobby around your family. That is if you want to keep a happy family. Sometimes I wouldn't be able to commit to a game.
Now my kids are all grown and my wife and I are downsized into a loft and I have physical issues that preclude me playing sports. So, I game and we get along just fine. I spend as much time as my wife wants with her. We do a lot together. We enjoy each others company and we don't stress over things. I play most evenings while she sits on the couch near me reading, knitting or on the computer doing stuff.
Bottom line AFK, you need to prioritize better. If you love your wife and the life you share, then share your life with your wife. Treat it like you are in a softball or bowling league. Give her top priority, but garner her consent to commit to a couple evenings a week for game time. Stop cheating on her with your gaming. Stop stealing from your boss, stop neglecting your customers and stop irritating your guild mates.
Scooter May 14th 2010 11:31AM
You need your wife's respect and trust before she will let you do something that she herself dislikes. Sneaking around at home and risking your job only proves you are not capable of managing things.
Quit WoW and spend some time with your wife. She is much more important. She's not being unreasonable if YOU are treating her as poorly as you are now.
Greg May 14th 2010 12:23PM
How do you know he's treating her poorly? Maybe she's being a b*tch. Who knows?
Scooter May 14th 2010 2:13PM
He's treating her poorly by placing a higher value on the game than he does her (IE. Playing the game at work and risking his job). Maybe she is overreacting, but that doesn't change the fact that she has a genuine concern over his actions.
He clearly knows his wife concerns and yet he ignores her consistently. This is NOT conflict resolution it is just outright irresponsible and inconsiderate. Everything I read suggests he is looking for a means to keep playing, NOT resolve the real issue. If staying married to this woman means not playing WoW, then that needs to stop playing.
This is a game. I would rather be thinking about the woman sleeping next to me tonight then how many hours I'm going to spend in game.
Zanathos May 14th 2010 3:34PM
We hardly know enough details about this situation to know who's to blame and to what degree. And you've wildly imagined details into the narrative to support your assumptions going in. Is he ignoring his wife constantly? He doesn't play WoW around her because she doesn't like it, I wouldn't classify that as "ignoring". I think it would be more probable to assume that when they're together, they spend time together, but there's no more evidence for that than anything else either. I would hardly call playing a game when the wife's not home "sneaking around". Quite frankly, your hyperbolic appraisal of the situation leaves me doubting you can view this unbiased at all, but just in case:
Here's what we know:
AFK's Wife either doesn't like his choice in leisure activity OR doesn't like activities that don't exclude her.
AFK plays WoW when he's alone or during downtime at work.
Wife is indirect and passive aggressive in discouraging WoW (inventing excuses when AFK attempts to play)
AFK and Wife are both avoiding communicating on the issue.
At the very least, I think we can safely assume that they both have communication issues. Does AFK play WoW obsessively and ignore all other parts of his life? Perhaps. Can his wife not stand alone time and selfishly resets her husband for having hobbies? Also perhaps. Does Wife think that WoW is the tool of the devil and is trying to badger AFK out of playing to save him? Is AFK the advance scout of an alien fleet, attempting to understand earth culture through online video games? None of these are contradicted by the information we have, we barely have any. When you imagine their situation, try to remember it's largely a situation you've invented.
Zanathos May 14th 2010 3:35PM
"AFK's Wife either doesn't like his choice in leisure activity OR doesn't like activities that don't exclude her."
Should have been "doesn't like activities that don't include her"
Scooter May 14th 2010 5:23PM
Zanathos
We only know one side of the story and only so much as his letter tells us. Based on this guys letter, he is well aware of his own situation. More often then not, people(men and women) like him are simply looking for affirmation that their own actions are in the right. Just like every fat man knows how to loose weight and (nearly) every depressed person knows how to end his/her depression. I wholeheartedly believe that this man already knows what he has to do. He just doesn't want to do it.
If I am wrong and there truly is that much more going on, then this guy should not be seeking help from us. He needs to go to a marriage counselor.
I think this quote is a good description of how i like to solve problems.
"An imp that sits quietly in the corner is easy to miss, but give it some triple espresso and then fling it at the guy's head and you have a problem you cant ignore."
Stardusted May 14th 2010 12:15PM
I love playing Warcraft, my wife hates the game with a passion. That being said, there is no problems between us when it comes to my gaming preferences and time. From the very beginning, I made the promise to her that she was first in all things to me.
She never tries to stop me from playing, if she knows that there is a raid I really want to do, and can only do so during a time we would normally spend together, she is very understanding. Alternately, if there is a raid I really want to do and she is having an awful day and needs me to be with her, I step away from Warcraft and devote my energy to her.
Compromising is a big thing in life, it's hard to have a great relationship (of any sort, marriage, dating, friendship, etc) without learning to compromise. That doesn't mean you have to give up who you are and the activities you enjoy, but sometimes it means putting another person before yourself.
However, you can't come to a position of compromising without first building good communication skills. My wife knows how much I enjoy WoW because I was open and honest to her about it. I know how much my wife would rather me spend time with her than on a computer game because she was open and honest about it. Knowing how each other felt enabled us to work out a solution that keeps both of us happy.
I can't tell the letter writer what a good solution is going to be for him, I am not in his shoes and do not know all the details about his or his wife's position on all this. All I can do is offer up what has worked for me and let people take from it what they will. That said, good luck.
Aspen May 14th 2010 12:18PM
I cant believe all the posts people are leaving about how terrible his wife must be, and how he needs to divorce her. You people dont know the entire situation, and thats one heck of an extreame to jump to right away.
If you are married and play wow, you have to admit it puts a strain on relationships. You never know, maybe she has caught him flirting with girls on wow in the past and thus doesnt want him playing? Maybe he was completely ignoring her for wow? Theres two sides to every story.
My advice: unless both parties are playing WoW (and TOGETHER I might add), then problems will arise. Either way, talking to the spouse about that is the way to go, not your guildies, not random people on the web. We dont know the hole situation, you do.
ST May 14th 2010 12:25PM
DTMFA.
I have never understood "wife aggro". You people should THINK about the relationships you're getting into before you legally codify them; it should have been possible to tell something like this would happen before you married her, and at that point you should have been aware you were going to have to make a choice between her and WoW.
Which way you make that choice is up to you. Ignoring it is not an option.
(It is SO nice to be gay. I date a guy who's even more of a gamer than me, and we raid together.)
Kelsey May 14th 2010 1:04PM
I think you have the wrong column. The Drama Mamas are not Savage Love, and I don't think Dan Savage's advice is the best for this situation (at least without us knowing all the details of AFK's relationship with his wife). It's ALWAYS better to attempt to work things out with your spouse than to cut your losses and run. Almost any problem can be fixed by both parties willingly working together. That's not to say AFK will easily be able to change his wife's mind about WoW, but if she's a reasonable person a good conversation should help her realize that he has a right to spend time on what he enjoys, especially if he agrees to spend time with her as well. People are never 100% compatible, and they'll never agree on everything, but that's why successful relationships are such hard work.
suntiger May 14th 2010 1:08PM
It sounded from the article like he'd already tried at length to discuss this with her, and she's not even interested in talking about it. that's pretty unreasonable IMO.
Zhiva May 14th 2010 2:46PM
# (It is SO nice to be gay. I date a guy who's even more of a gamer than me, and we raid together.) #
Because there are no female gamer and no woman can be "even more of gamer than you"?
And I thought that there are no gay sexists...
Orrine May 14th 2010 2:57PM
It would be wonderful people knew all the problems they would have in relationships, but after you start living together new issues start to pop up. You don't need to predict stuff, you need to deal with it after it happens ;)
Zanathos May 14th 2010 3:38PM
there's no real evidence he's tried to discuss it with his wife. Which means, he either might have, or might not have. Similarly, we don't know how much she's tried to discuss it with him. The only tactics AFK mentions are passive aggressive ones like making excuses when he tries to play, but we have no idea whether he even knows WHY Wife doesn't like him to play. Speculation on what they might have done or said is merely speculation. His martial issues were not the focus of his mail, and were barely mentioned. There's really not enough detail to draw any conclusions about the couple, save that they could stand to communicate better.
Vandersveldt May 14th 2010 12:49PM
For the people that really don't get it, my analogy has always been, "Yes, WoW. is pointless. It's about as pointless and frustrating as building a ship in a bottle. But you wouldn't be riding me if what I was doing was actually building a ship in a bottle, now would you?".
LeNi May 14th 2010 12:57PM
One thing about playing WoW is that you're still physically there, often in the same room, so others don't understand you are really preoccupied. A solution to this might be to play one evening a week at a friend's place: see it as a night out that others would spend playing sports or music.
Amaxe-1 May 14th 2010 12:58PM
Ultimately it is a matter of priority. If you have to work, work comes first... don't expect guildies to sit around and wait for you to get back from waiting on customers. That's disrespectful to the guild, and probably also to the place you work (unless you're self employed) and the customers.
As for the spouse, it seems to be a matter of respect and love. She doesn't like AFK's involvement with WoW. Now I'm not saying whether she is right or wrong, but it is an issue to be worked on in marriage, where both have to reach an agreement on what they will do.
Juggling like this seems disrespectful to all of the above parties
Avan May 14th 2010 1:23PM
Wife aggro. Ugh, I hate that term.
Using aggro signifies that whatever you think you have aggro on, is just an object to be overcome. Your wife is not a moving object (aka mob), neither is your boss, your parents, your children, or whatever else fits into "x aggro."
Treat them like people, and they'll respect you for it. Everything will work out better, too.